Deuteronomy 23:2

[Chad32]

If a cop shoots someone for something his grandfather did, or worse that a total stranger did, yes. the cop is a bad person.

If biblically no one had free will, then they can't be said to be evil. First you need to be responsible for your own actions before you can be considered good or evil.

If he wasn't capable of love and mercy until he sacrificed himself to himself to save us from eternal punishment because of things out of our control, then that pretty much proves he's a sociopath.

[Tripwire]

Or that he's nonexistent.

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Some of Yahweh's best people have done worse than be born out of wedlock, though. I guess it was just supposed to be a warning against people having sex with just anybody, but the way they put it just keeps making their deity out of be a bad person.

if a cop shots someone does that make him a 'bad person?'

much like the whole Egypt thing, where they say Yahweh hardened the pharaoh's heart without even thinking that the act of removing his free will puts all the death that comes afterwards solely at the feet of Yahweh. Making him totally responsible for killing infants and toddlers just to prove a point.

free will as you understand it is a Greek philosophy and not a biblical truth. Through out the bible we are told we are slaves. Pharaoh was not a free man. Whether he liked it or not he fell under the authority of God. God per Moses issued his servant/slave pharaoh a command. Pharaoh before his heart was hardened to God and Moses off. When dealing with Bronze Age goat hearders one has to exert a show of force from time to time to get them to fall in line. Even the ones whole like to stack stones.

They really needed to think these things through better if they wanted to portray Yahweh as ultimately loving, merciful, and just.

At that time that was not the goal. At that time the Goal was to eastablish God's absolute ness His strength and authority. Love mercy and peace was not possible till Christ died on the cross.

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?????

It's an old atheist mind trick.

They use a convoluted translation that then can be interpreted any number of way to make God out to be anyway they want.

Here is the easy to read version

2 If a man’s parents were not legally married, that man may not join with the men of Israel to worship the Lord. And none of his descendants to the tenth generation—may join in that group.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=ERV

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Although chad was not trying to trick anyone it looks to have been an honest mistake that he later addressed

Ah. Lol just like the one about if a gay guy sleeps with a guy he should be high. XD

[Godscreated]

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation."

As if it's not bad enough that we're born into sin because of something we aren't in control of, we are just flat out denied entrance into heaven if we're born out of wedlock. What is with Yahweh and punishing people who have no control over the situation they're in?

This means I can be born through marriage, but because my great grandfather was born out of wedlock I might as well have nothing to do with god at all.

Can you really be that dense, I thought you said you were a Christian and knew scriptures. Please if this is the best you can do stop, you are beginning to become an embarrassment to your fellow atheist.

GC

[Zen Badger]

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation."

As if it's not bad enough that we're born into sin because of something we aren't in control of, we are just flat out denied entrance into heaven if we're born out of wedlock. What is with Yahweh and punishing people who have no control over the situation they're in?

This means I can be born through marriage, but because my great grandfather was born out of wedlock I might as well have nothing to do with god at all.

Can you really be that dense, I thought you said you were a Christian and knew scriptures. Please if this is the best you can do stop, you are beginning to become an embarrassment to your fellow atheist.

GC

No he isn't.
And don't use an ad honimen because you can't come up wit a decent answer.

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Can you really be that dense, I thought you said you were a Christian and knew scriptures. Please if this is the best you can do stop, you are beginning to become an embarrassment to your fellow atheist.

GC

No he isn't.
And don't use an ad honimen because you can't come up with a decent answer.

[Ryantology]

if a cop shots someone does that make him a 'bad person?'

If it is both deliberate and avoidable, then absolutely.

[ThePinsir]

Matthew 5:18-19 (among others)

Every last letter of the OT applies, forever. Jesus himself said so. Christians saying "this didn't apply anymore" are ignoring the words of their own God-person.

[Chad32]

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation."

As if it's not bad enough that we're born into sin because of something we aren't in control of, we are just flat out denied entrance into heaven if we're born out of wedlock. What is with Yahweh and punishing people who have no control over the situation they're in?

This means I can be born through marriage, but because my great grandfather was born out of wedlock I might as well have nothing to do with god at all.

Can you really be that dense, I thought you said you were a Christian and knew scriptures. Please if this is the best you can do stop, you are beginning to become an embarrassment to your fellow atheist.

GC

I didn't come across stuff like this in sunday school. They focused more of the friendly stuff. If ever I started becoming an embarrassment to atheists, I'd rather hear it from an atheist. Do you have anything substantial to add?

[tokutter]

"No one born of a forbidden marriage nor any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, not even in the tenth generation."

As if it's not bad enough that we're born into sin because of something we aren't in control of, we are just flat out denied entrance into heaven if we're born out of wedlock. What is with Yahweh and punishing people who have no control over the situation they're in?

This means I can be born through marriage, but because my great grandfather was born out of wedlock I might as well have nothing to do with god at all.

Were you/are you an Old Testament Jew?

Those old testament jews say your messiah/you are full of shit.


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[ThomM]

It does say assembly or congregation, but so what? They're not allowed to associate with the rest of the flock, but they still get a shot into heaven? How does that make sense?

Just go a little further in Deuteronomy - to 23:3

It says that a Mamzer - a person whose parents were NOT married - cannot enter in the congregation of the lord.

Since the xtians claim that the christ was his own father (Part of the one god) - obviously he could not marry his mother - which is also not allowed

So the christ would have been shunned by the religion - and not allowed to be taught the religion - nor enter the temples.

More reasons why the christ is a "creation of later human imagination" - nothing more

Obviously - those that created the christ myth had little actual knowledge of the Jewish religion.

[Drich]

It does say assembly or congregation, but so what? They're not allowed to associate with the rest of the flock, but they still get a shot into heaven? How does that make sense?

Just go a little further in Deuteronomy - to 23:3

It says that a Mamzer - a person whose parents were NOT married - cannot enter in the congregation of the lord.

Since the xtians claim that the christ was his own father (Part of the one god) - obviously he could not marry his mother - which is also not allowed

So the christ would have been shunned by the religion - and not allowed to be taught the religion - nor enter the temples.

More reasons why the christ is a "creation of later human imagination" - nothing more

Obviously - those that created the christ myth had little actual knowledge of the Jewish religion.