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Islam and Astronomy
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 RE: Islam and Astronomy
February 23, 2014 at 2:32 am
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2014 at 2:37 am by KichigaiNeko.)
Interesting tidbit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_astronomy 1126... Wow Europe was late to the party. "The Universe is run by the complex interweaving of three elements: energy, matter, and enlightened self-interest." G'Kar-B5
 (February 23, 2014 at 2:32 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Interesting tidbit They didn't call them the dark ages for nothing. Regardless of what one could say the state of science in the Islamic world today - they (amongst others) were instrumental in keeping astronomy alive while the Christian world was stagnant for many centuries.  (February 22, 2014 at 4:24 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: [quote='GOD.IS.NOT.GREAT' pid='607832' dateline='1393067918'] yes you're right many people don't understand simple astronomy. but what i mentioned before supposed to be from a "Divine Being" or so called ALLAH and the dumb guy who went on TV was a scholar who studied Sharia and Fiqh (Islamic Studies Graduate). finally i'm criticizing GOD and Muhammad not Common People. 
I don’t know if God exists, but it would be better for His reputation if He didn't.
I want to soar higher than any man has ever soared! I want to look down on the clouds with contempt! I want to sneer at God's creation, and spit on his ... (Homer Simpson)  RE: Islam and Astronomy
February 23, 2014 at 3:08 pm
(This post was last modified: February 23, 2014 at 3:12 pm by Simon Moon.)
Finding science in ancient religious texts is folly. The only thing that any religious text ever gets correct are things that were already known at the time.
The rest, including the Islamic examples given, are nothing more than trying to find passages that can retroactively be stretched to fit a modern discovery. If there truly was science in these texts, they'd be able to make predictions about the natural world from them. The Bible, the Koran, the Vedas have made zero such predictions. They all fail on even the most basic observations, like geocentrism. Even something as simple as "thou shalt boil your drinking water" would be a bit impressive. Not completely related to this thread, but great none the less, a vid by Neil Degrasse Tyson - You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.  (February 23, 2014 at 3:15 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Regardless of what one could say the state of science in the Islamic world today - they (amongst others) were instrumental in keeping astronomy alive while the Christian world was stagnant for many centuries. Most of the star names we still use today come from the Arabic - Algol (the demon star), Aldebaran, Vega, Arrakis (yes, it really exists), Fomalhaut etc. Not to mention my personal favourite, Zubenelgenubi. Nowadays I guess all stars would be named Allah or Mohammed and you'd get your head chopped off for saying them.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(February 23, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(February 23, 2014 at 3:15 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Regardless of what one could say the state of science in the Islamic world today - they (amongst others) were instrumental in keeping astronomy alive while the Christian world was stagnant for many centuries. The common names of the brightest stars that laymen tend to use these days, yes. For modern astronomers, it depends entirely on which catalog / nomenclature is being used.
Indeed; not forgetting, however, that today's layman may be tomorrow's professional astronomer. It's pretty much the sole remaining scientific field in which the amateur can still make a valuable contribution.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
 (February 23, 2014 at 3:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote:(February 23, 2014 at 3:15 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Regardless of what one could say the state of science in the Islamic world today - they (amongst others) were instrumental in keeping astronomy alive while the Christian world was stagnant for many centuries. To be fair about it I'm sure that a little digging will show that most, if not all, of the Arabic achievements came from their Jewish collaborators. It's hard to imagine any desert dwelling nomad coming up with any scientific achievement. They simply didn't have the educational system. The Jews did. And so did the Persians.  (February 23, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Finding science in ancient religious texts is folly. The only thing that any religious text ever gets correct are things that were already known at the time. well said  (February 23, 2014 at 3:08 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Not completely related to this thread, but great none the less, a vid by Neil Degrasse Tyson - nope , its very related to the thread . It explains why the arab had discoveries from the beginning and why they ended . ![[Image: eUdzMRc.gif]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=i.imgur.com%2FeUdzMRc.gif)
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