The redneck strike again.

[Whateverist]

ANTI-ONION?! hock:

Why go on living?

[Confused Ape]

Brain function relate to physical life.
NDE experiences tell us that you can experience love even without a brain so brain or not brain you still can experience spiritual love.

People who were brain dead have reported NDEs but nobody is sure what's going on. Did the experience happen while the brain was shutting down or after it had stopped functioning? People, including doctors and psychologists, seem to interpret the information according to what they want to believe so there is one group saying NDEs prove something survives death while the other group says it's just hallucinations produced by a dying brain.

Again, NDE experiences tell us that brain or not brain God is there.

All they really tell us is that people experience something which they interpret as being God. NDEs are fascinating in their own right, though, whatever the explanation is. People who have them seem to regard them as life changing experiences so maybe that's the really important aspect of them.

Logic require the understanding that we are composed of 3 factors.
Physical-mental and spiritual go hand in hand but as far as you may not believe in one of the factor then your approach may not be logical.

People have spiritual experiences - that's an established fact. What aren't established facts is whether God really exists or is just a brain experience or whether something survives death or NDEs are hallucinations produced by a dying brain.

I've experienced odd things which seemed very real at the time. Does that mean I should believe in ghosts, water spirits, mysterious disembodied entities, Apollo and the Earth being a goddess just because a lot of other people believe in these things?

Intuitional science is the No 1 science for the simple reason that unlike physical science lead to real progress.

All the atheists in this forum use the 21st century definition of the word, science, which means physical science. This is why you get laughed at when you talk about intuitional science.

Physical science is very important for human survival but as far as real progress = NIL.

So, God manifests as everything in the physical universe but all these manifested bits of itself forget what they are. They then have to reincarnate umpteen times until they remember so they can go back to the source. Why did God manifest as the universe in the first place? Why is it incapable of making all these bits of itself remember what they are? You can't say it violates free will because, if God is all that exists, God is the only thing that has free will.

If physical science isn't real progress, why did God arrange for humans to have the kind of brains capable of making scientific discoveries?

What these day is regarded as real science is totally irrelevant.

In that case, why are you using the internet and other things that science has provided if it's all irrelevant?

A lot of people especially religious people say that they believe or practice spirituality.
When i ask what spirituality is they mention the usual external belief.
They haven't got a clue that spirituality is a process within so when someone say that they practice spirituality i am very sceptic.

This is certainly true for a lot of religious people. They just believe what they are told. Mystics of various traditions do know that it's an inner process, though.

[Little Rik]

ANTI-ONION?! hock:

Why go on living?

Oh, my God whatever.
After my thread has been dump in the garbage i thought i lost you for ever.
Your input always make this thread so much alive.
But now that you are here i am alive again.
Oh, the onion?
There are some items that prevent you from practicing meditation beside meat, fish and eggs and these are onion, garlic and mushrooms.
They got chemicals that upset the brain although onion and garlic are good to kill germs in case of infection.

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People who were brain dead have reported NDEs but nobody is sure what's going on. Did the experience happen while the brain was shutting down or after it had stopped functioning? People, including doctors and psychologists, seem to interpret the information according to what they want to believe so there is one group saying NDEs prove something survives death while the other group says it's just hallucinations produced by a dying brain.

What make me believe that NDE make sense is the fact that these people can describe places that they saw during these experiences, places that they never been in their physical life.
How could they do if not for surviving physical death but most of all is the fact that they all see God.

All they really tell us is that people experience something which they interpret as being God. NDEs are fascinating in their own right, though, whatever the explanation is. People who have them seem to regard them as life changing experiences so maybe that's the really important aspect of them.

Why these experiences would change their lives?
There got to be something very important for changing someone life.

People have spiritual experiences - that's an established fact. What aren't established facts is whether God really exists or is just a brain experience or whether something survives death or NDEs are hallucinations produced by a dying brain.
I've experienced odd things which seemed very real at the time. Does that mean I should believe in ghosts, water spirits, mysterious disembodied entities, Apollo and the Earth being a goddess just because a lot of other people believe in these things?

It all depend what people put into their body-mind.
Before i become fully vegetarian i was eating some seafood.
When i ate crabs or clams in particular i had dreadful dreams and nightmares.
Not anymore. My dreams are usually nice.
Eating well and doing meditation as well the odd thing are a thing of the past.

All the atheists in this forum use the 21st century definition of the word, science, which means physical science. This is why you get laughed at when you talk about intuitional science.

The masses few centuries ago used the latest knowledge but when someone came up saying that the planet earth was not the center of the universe and was not flat they laugh scornfully at him.
The things change but the idiots never change.
They reincarnate time and time again with the same skull full of dung.

So, God manifests as everything in the physical universe but all these manifested bits of itself forget what they are. They then have to reincarnate umpteen times until they remember so they can go back to the source. Why did God manifest as the universe in the first place? Why is it incapable of making all these bits of itself remember what they are? You can't say it violates free will because, if God is all that exists, God is the only thing that has free will.

I already explained in the past how things works.
It works like this.
Suppose you are God.
You got everything but you are alone so you want to create something that take away this emptiness.
Your mind create a space in which the action take place and you fill with the element that allow life like air, light, water and the matter.
Here the action begin.
The matter soon or later want regain the lost consciousness so turn into vegetable life then into animal life then into human life to then merge again into cosmic consciousness and here the action end but end for that particular consciousness not for everything as the show continue for ever.
This of course according to yoga but as we know million people believe in million different things.

If physical science isn't real progress, why did God arrange for humans to have the kind of brains capable of making scientific discoveries?

To survive but of course He also gave a way to progress and this way is called spirituality.

In that case, why are you using the internet and other things that science has provided if it's all irrelevant?

It is irrelevant as far as real progress is concern.
We eat food to survive, we breathe air to survive we use technology to survive as we would use a life jacket to stay afloat but all these items can not help us in any way to get out from the limits of consciousness in which we are living.
For that we need something else.

This is certainly true for a lot of religious people. They just believe what they are told. Mystics of various traditions do know that it's an inner process, though.

Some they do know.

[Whateverist]

ANTI-ONION?! hock:

Why go on living?

Oh, my God whatever.
After my thread has been dump in the garbage i thought i lost you for ever.

Oh you're not in the garbage. You're just too special to fit into any category that would be comprehensible to a person with an undersized Kundalini.

If you're thinking of pressing charges I can testify to the fact that you did regularly challenge we underilluminati to guess WTF you thought philosophy. You made it quite clear that it was the true meaning you were after and not the half-baked but dimwitted attempts of academics. Good luck in your new digs.

[Little Rik]

You made it quite clear that it was the true meaning you were after and not the half-baked but dimwitted attempts of academics.

The academics are often quite good but their knowledge is limited to physical science.
If they or you are happy with that knowledge that is ok. with me.
After all i am not the one who wish to live in a cage.
(see the canary syndrome).

https://atheistforums.org/thread-18616-page-2.html

[Confused Ape]

What make me believe that NDE make sense is the fact that these people can describe places that they saw during these experiences, places that they never been in their physical life.

I had a strange experience related to a place I hadn't been to at the time. In one of my inner journeys I was standing under a tree looking across a moat at a bit of castle wall and I could also see the bottom of a round tower Some years later I visited Beaumaris Castle on Anglesey where I stood under a tree and looked across the moat to a bit of castle wall and the bottom of a round tower. I soon came up with a mundane explanation for that. My husband had a lot of books on castles and there were photos of Beaumaris showing the tree. My unconscious mind obviously imagined what I would see if I stood under that tree.

but most of all is the fact that they all see God.

The reports are of a being of light but people have interpreted it as God, Jesus or some other religious figure.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/09/health...periences/

There are reports of religious images appearing at times in NDEs, but they are not limited to one single religion, and they don't always appear. Sometimes Buddha, Jesus or Mohammed appear, but usually they don't, Laureys said.

Why these experiences would change their lives?
There got to be something very important for changing someone life.

It seems to be the life review that's a key feature. How the experiencers affected others could have been picked up unconsciously via tone of voice or body language (the equivalent with animals). The information could then have been blocked because it was 'inconvenient' to how they liked to behave but they were then faced by this information in the NDE because of what the brain was doing.

Yes, it's possible to interpret NDE experiences as meeting God and some kind of existence after the death of the body but it's not 100% conclusive proof. This is why I'm cautious. Also, I don't want to convince myself it's all true and then start living my current life with the sole intention of getting a good afterlife or a good place in the world next time round. Maybe that kind of attitude wouldn't count as spiritual progress if the yoga belief is correct.

All the atheists in this forum use the 21st century definition of the word, science, which means physical science. This is why you get laughed at when you talk about intuitional science.

The masses few centuries ago used the latest knowledge but when someone came up saying that the planet earth was not the center of the universe and was not flat they laugh scornfully at him.
The things change but the idiots never change.
They reincarnate time and time again with the same skull full of dung.

It's just a case of how the word, science, is used in the modern day. Your term, intuitional science, now comes under the heading of intuitional insights which are classed as psychology - this makes it easier not to confuse things with physical science. Spirituality is classed as transpersonal psychology.

I already explained in the past how things works.
It works like this.
Suppose you are God.
You got everything but you are alone so you want to create something that take away this emptiness.
Your mind create a space in which the action take place and you fill with the element that allow life like air, light, water and the matter.
Here the action begin.

If I was God I wouldn't have created a world where living beings could suffer physically and mentally. How can it allow child abuse, factory farms, experimenting on animals, wars and all the other horrors of the physical world? It that its idea of entertainment?

The matter soon or later want regain the lost consciousness so turn into vegetable life then into animal life then into human life to then merge again into cosmic consciousness and here the action end but end for that particular consciousness not for everything as the show continue for ever.

So it's really all down to God being bored and lonely. Great.

To survive but of course He also gave a way to progress and this way is called spirituality.

I can't say I'm thrilled with this idea of God. According to your belief I'll have spent countless lives going through who knows what just to keep it amused. I'm supposed to be grateful there's a way out of this pointless round of being a plaything?

[Whateverist]

It's just a case of how the word, science, is used in the modern day. Your term, intuitional science, now comes under the heading of intuitional insights which are classed as psychology - this makes it easier not to confuse things with physical science. Spirituality is classed as transpersonal psychology.

That is a real lifeline she's thrown you there, Rikky. People might not agree with your intuitional insights, but at least they wouldn't get hung up on your unfortunate phrasing. Of course your insistence that your personal truth is beyond the rest of us because we're such intuitional lightweights would still be a source of ridicule .. but perhaps you'd enjoy the change?

[Mister Agenda]

If this thread is never going to die, can the names at least be changed to 'The redneck strikes again'? It slaps me in the forebrain every time I see it.

[Losty]

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Very healthy.
Plenty of good things except for the onion.
keep the good work.

Lol. I like onions

[Little Rik]

Very healthy.
Plenty of good things except for the onion.
keep the good work.

Lol. I like onions

Oh, this may be an handicap to our future marriage.
But i see what can i do.

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If this thread is never going to die, can the names at least be changed to 'The redneck strikes again'? It slaps me in the forebrain every time I see it.

I am here also to help people in trouble like you.
I got a solution to your important problem.
Guess what?
Stop searching for this thread and the problem will disappear for ever.
Beside before i started this thread i was thinking about a different title.
I was thinking to title it.......Atheism the biggest oxymoron ever....
but then i came up with the redneck one.

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It's just a case of how the word, science, is used in the modern day. Your term, intuitional science, now comes under the heading of intuitional insights which are classed as psychology - this makes it easier not to confuse things with physical science. Spirituality is classed as transpersonal psychology.

That is a real lifeline she's thrown you there, Rikky. People might not agree with your intuitional insights, but at least they wouldn't get hung up on your unfortunate phrasing. Of course your insistence that your personal truth is beyond the rest of us because we're such intuitional lightweights would still be a source of ridicule .. but perhaps you'd enjoy the change?

Whatever, first of all let me extend my deep respect for having an high caste person like you to come down here in this law caste forum.
About your important comment i think i already discussed this point few times in the past but of course is not your fault if you didn't see it considering how busy you are.
What i did say is that things change over time.
Old meaning get changed and often vandalized or totally forgotten.
Just the other day i was chatting with a doctor about the meaning of the word cancer.
He had no idea where the word came from although he knew very well what a cancer is. I had to explain him the meaning.
This happen all the time.
For most people only the current meaning make sense.
All the rest is really not important.
But of course to any intelligent person the original meaning of words is very important that is why i can have different point of view with people who procrastinate the rot.