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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
March 3, 2014 at 7:37 pm
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But since god is the creator, he created that free will and is thus held accountable for the creation of sin. The fact he then sends someone to suffer and die in order to create a get-out clause so that everyone has to obey and worship him is an even more ludicrous idea.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
March 3, 2014 at 8:07 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 7:37 pm)shep Wrote: But since god is the creator, he created that free will and is thus held accountable for the creation of sin. The fact he then sends someone to suffer and die in order to create a get-out clause so that everyone has to obey and worship him is an even more ludicrous idea. A good point, if it weren't for the fact that free will is just an illusion, a point I've proved in a previous post.
Other than that, if free will did exist, very good point.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
March 3, 2014 at 8:32 pm
(February 27, 2014 at 2:43 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My mom saw an angel! My sister was sick and in the middle of the night he appeared to her. It wasn't a dream, she asked my sister what they were talking about right before she left the room and it matched what she saw and heard. She even forgot about it and didn't tell my dad till late the next day, she should have been scared if she had just imagined it, but she says the peace of God was under her. I SWEAR she's not making this up, she seems so genuine when she says it and she NEVER lies.
My mom saw a talking penguin named Dave. My sister was sick and in the middle of the night he appeared to her. It wasn't a dream, she asked my sister what they were talking about right before she left the room and it matched what she saw and heard. She even forgot about it and didn't tell my dad till late the next day, she should have been scared if she had just imagined it, but she says the peace of Dave the Penguin was under her. I SWEAR she's not making this up, she seems so genuine when she says it and she NEVER lies.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
March 3, 2014 at 8:34 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 8:32 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: (February 27, 2014 at 2:43 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: My mom saw an angel! My sister was sick and in the middle of the night he appeared to her. It wasn't a dream, she asked my sister what they were talking about right before she left the room and it matched what she saw and heard. She even forgot about it and didn't tell my dad till late the next day, she should have been scared if she had just imagined it, but she says the peace of God was under her. I SWEAR she's not making this up, she seems so genuine when she says it and she NEVER lies.
My mom saw a talking penguin named Dave. My sister was sick and in the middle of the night he appeared to her. It wasn't a dream, she asked my sister what they were talking about right before she left the room and it matched what she saw and heard. She even forgot about it and didn't tell my dad till late the next day, she should have been scared if she had just imagined it, but she says the peace of Dave the Penguin was under her. I SWEAR she's not making this up, she seems so genuine when she says it and she NEVER lies.
All hail Dave.
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
March 4, 2014 at 4:34 pm
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(February 26, 2014 at 6:52 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Atheists say "If God existed, he's evil because he lets bad things happen."
However the cause of sin is that he gave us all the greatest gift, free will. We can do what we want, he does not force anything upon our mind. If we choose to live a life of sin, it is our choosing. Man choose sin when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, they, by their own choice brought sin upon the world. God hates sin, but he said evil deeds must be punished, and he cannot go back on his word. So he sent his only son to die for our sins, to show us the price of our sin and to accept his free gift. God hates sin, but it is a product of man because he gave man the ability to do what he wants until death, when he is judged for what he's done. Since all sin, only accepting Christ in your heart can make you acceptant of God's Kingdom. Man choose sin, and God did all he could do to help them be absolved of it without invading their free will.
So atheists, argue over the existant of God all you want, but do not say he cannot exist because evil exists. The bible explains why it exists completely logically.
Bad things aren't necessarily sin. A bad thing could be a child born handicapped or a hurricane killing thousands. The confusion doesn't end there: The Bible states in Genesis 1:27 which says:
"So God created mankind in his own image"
I ask you, when Moses climbed up the mountain and spoke to God, did he meet a man up there? Did they have a firm handshake? But naturally no, Moses told, upon climbing down the mountain that God was spirit! So who's right? Moses or Genesis?
Furthermore, it is mentioned in Yajur Veda 32.3 which says:
" Na Tasya Pratima Asti"
There is no image of Him. Of thy God, there is no image, there is no picture, there is no portrait, there is no drawing, there is no idol, there is no sculpture, there is no statue, there is no photograph.
The Qur'an backs this up saying "laucun laucun fanhad" there's nothing like Him.
But the Bible says different. I ask you, why do you read pornography? Ezekiel Chapter 23 qualifies as it so I assume the rest does also. Who would believe in such disgusting, filthy book called the Bible? Leave Jesus alone for now, don't talk about the link between you and Jesus. I ask you about the Bible. Why do you read that toilet paper?
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RE: The Flaw of Atheism
March 4, 2014 at 4:42 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 4:34 pm)Ksa Wrote: (February 26, 2014 at 6:52 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Atheists say "If God existed, he's evil because he lets bad things happen."
However the cause of sin is that he gave us all the greatest gift, free will. We can do what we want, he does not force anything upon our mind. If we choose to live a life of sin, it is our choosing. Man choose sin when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, they, by their own choice brought sin upon the world. God hates sin, but he said evil deeds must be punished, and he cannot go back on his word. So he sent his only son to die for our sins, to show us the price of our sin and to accept his free gift. God hates sin, but it is a product of man because he gave man the ability to do what he wants until death, when he is judged for what he's done. Since all sin, only accepting Christ in your heart can make you acceptant of God's Kingdom. Man choose sin, and God did all he could do to help them be absolved of it without invading their free will.
So atheists, argue over the existant of God all you want, but do not say he cannot exist because evil exists. The bible explains why it exists completely logically.
Bad things aren't necessarily sin. A bad thing could be a child born handicapped or a hurricane killing thousands. The confusion doesn't end there: The Bible states in Genesis 1:27 which says:
"So God created mankind in his own image"
I ask you, when Moses climbed up the mountain and spoke to God, did he meet a man up there? Did they have a firm handshake? But naturally no, Moses told, upon climbing down the mountain that God was spirit! So who's right? Moses or Genesis?
Furthermore, it is mentioned in Yajur Veda 32.3 which says:
"Na Tasya Pratima Asti"
There is no image of Him. Of thy God, there is no image, there is no picture, there is no portrait, there is no drawing, there is no idol, there is no sculpture, there is no statue, there is no photograph.
The Qur'an backs this up saying "laucun laucun fanhad" there's nothing like Him.
But the Bible says different. I ask you, why do you read pornography? Ezekiel Chapter 23 qualifies as it so I assume the rest does also. Who would believe in such disgusting, filthy book called the Bible? Leave Jesus alone for now, don't talk about the link between you and Jesus. I ask you about the Bible. Why do you read that toilet paper?
Dont forget exodus 4:10-11 But Moses said to the LORD, "Please, O Lord, I have never been a man of words, either in times past or now that You have spoken to Your servant; I am slow of speech and slow of tongue." 11 And the LORD said to him, "Who gives man speech? Who makes him dumb or deaf, seeing or blind? Is it not I, the LORD? (JPSTanakh)
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