Ok I admit it

[SteelCurtain]

Which post of each do you wish me to answer?

Post #317. I guess it would be more of a response than an answer, as he didn't ask a question. But it was poignant to the question you asked about what would it take for us to accept Jesus.

[Esquilax]

But if people believe everything told to them as a kid, why do no adults believe in Santa Claus?

The answer to that is actually really simple: at a certain point, kids have doubts about Santa, and when they ask their parents, they aren't told that he does exist. There comes a point in every child's life where the parents admit that Santa is a fiction, something they don't do with god.

Put it this way: if you expressed your doubts about Santa to your dad, I doubt he would ever silence you the way he does when you doubt god, right?

So why are you an atheist if you can't prove it?

Because atheism isn't the position "there is no god, ever," it's "I'm not going to believe in a god until you can give me some evidence." The default is to disbelieve in a claim, as Jacob and I have been trying to show you these past few pages, until there's evidence for it, wouldn't you agree?

[pocaracas]

So he's also changing my bank account?
I'm not sure he'd like it if everyone on the so-called developed world was to sue the guy for stealing money in exchange for toys of exactly that worth.

Don't you think you're just adding a layer of complexity where it doesn't exist?

Well let's not argue about silly stuff like that, let's get back to real stuff like God.

You asked for it!

The reality of the divine is not established.
In fact, there are some hints that the divine is entirely created by the human mind... much like Santa, unicorns, dragons, Sauron, Harry Potter, Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Na'vi, the klingons, the jedi, etc, etc, etc

"The one truly infinite power that we are aware of in this Universe is human imagination".
-pocaracas, 2014

[JesusLover1]

Which post of each do you wish me to answer?

Post #317. I guess it would be more of a response than an answer, as he didn't ask a question. But it was poignant to the question you asked about what would it take for us to accept Jesus.

But sooooo many people believe in Jesus, that's my evidence. Seriously, what group on earth do you consider to have the truth despite being so small as you claim atheists do despite about 97-98% of the world disagree with them?

[Tonus]

But if people believe everything told to them as a kid, why do no adults believe in Santa Claus?

Because at some point in your childhood, the people who lied to you about Santa Claus came clean and admitted that it was made up. They should've done the same regarding god, and you wouldn't be crippled by the fear of hell.

[Esquilax]

But sooooo many people believe in Jesus, that's my evidence.

If you woke up tomorrow and ninety percent of the population had converted to the norse religion, would that be evidence for Odin?

Seriously, what group on earth do you consider to have the truth despite being so small as you claim atheists do despite about 97-98% of the world disagree with them?

There was a point in time when the first person who noticed the earth to be round was the only person on earth to think that. Did that make him any less correct?

Besides, the atheist claim is just "I don't know, but I'm not going to believe you without evidence." Does that sound like we claim to be in possession of the truth to you?

[truthBtold]

The wheels on the bus go round and round.... round and round...

[ThePinsir]

Post #317. I guess it would be more of a response than an answer, as he didn't ask a question. But it was poignant to the question you asked about what would it take for us to accept Jesus.

But sooooo many people believe in Jesus, that's my evidence. Seriously, what group on earth do you consider to have the truth despite being so small as you claim atheists do despite about 97-98% of the world disagree with them?

7 Billion people on Earth.
2 Billion people believe in Jesus
5 Billion people don't believe in Jesus.

But still, it's a fallacy to rely on numbers (or authority) for the truth.

No group has "the truth". Science has theories backed by evidence and observation, but even the most fundamental parts of science are subject to change when new evidence presents itself.

Lastly, why does it have to be a "group"? And why do you think it has to be only one group?

"If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing"
-Anatole France

[JesusLover1]

But sooooo many people believe in Jesus, that's my evidence.

If you woke up tomorrow and ninety percent of the population had converted to the norse religion, would that be evidence for Odin?

Seriously, what group on earth do you consider to have the truth despite being so small as you claim atheists do despite about 97-98% of the world disagree with them?

There was a point in time when the first person who noticed the earth to be round was the only person on earth to think that. Did that make him any less correct?

Besides, the atheist claim is just "I don't know, but I'm not going to believe you without evidence." Does that sound like we claim to be in possession of the truth to you?

On your first point: Maybe, since obviously there was something there that was converting people, I'd at least do research and see why the sudden switch.
On your second point: But that was before people could research anything scientific in an instant. But even with all this technology and knowledge, most still believe there's a God.
On your third point: Well you think the rest are wrong.

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But sooooo many people believe in Jesus, that's my evidence. Seriously, what group on earth do you consider to have the truth despite being so small as you claim atheists do despite about 97-98% of the world disagree with them?

7 Billion people on Earth.
2 Billion people believe in Jesus
5 Billion people don't believe in Jesus.

But over half at least believe in the Abrahamic God.

[Esquilax]

On your first point: Maybe, since obviously there was something there that was converting people, I'd at least do research and see why the sudden switch.

Aha! And why aren't you doing the same sort of research on why people believe in Jesus, before you take it as evidence that he's real?

On your second point: But that was before people could research anything scientific in an instant. But even with all this technology and knowledge, most still believe there's a God.

Yep, and there's still a flat earth society too. The fact that we can avail ourselves of knowledge doesn't mean that everyone will, or that they'll accept it even if they do. People aren't perfectly rational.

Besides, there's still no smoking gun, definitive proof that there is no god, and there might never be, since proving a negative is really hard. So the fact that we have science doesn't mean god has been disproved; however, the time to believe in something is when there's evidence, not before. There's no positive evidence for god, so why offer it belief any more than we would another idea with no evidence behind it, like that airplanes are actually demons in disguise?

On your third point: Well you think the rest are wrong.

Not really. I do think they haven't given sufficient evidence to believe that they're right yet, though.