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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 11, 2009 at 12:19 pm
(December 10, 2009 at 8:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (December 10, 2009 at 2:01 pm)Saerules Wrote: Then we are using 'mind' in reference to our ability to think? 
In which case i think it to be interesting that Mr. fr0d0 thinks that a 'spirit' can have a mind without having a brain A mind is based upon a brain (or equivalent)... does a spirit have a brain, fr0d0? Or are you considering the 'soul' to be exactly what a 'mind' is, fr0d0?
I've said what I think the mind is. It's a product of the brain. I think your spirit is also your soul. It's a gutteral instinct. Something uncontrollable, yet access is facilitated by conscious thought. You think right, your are in harmony with your gut. You think wrong, your gut is twisted. Comprendez?
So you think the soul is responsible for instincts?
If the soul is instinct without mind then what does that make your afterlife? Your mind obviously can't be there if it's a product of the brain and the brain is now rotting flesh in a casket, so your persona, the individual ego is gone and dead;
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 11, 2009 at 7:56 pm
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 12, 2009 at 5:26 am
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(December 10, 2009 at 8:20 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: (December 10, 2009 at 2:01 pm)Saerules Wrote: Then we are using 'mind' in reference to our ability to think?
In which case i think it to be interesting that Mr. fr0d0 thinks that a 'spirit' can have a mind without having a brain A mind is based upon a brain (or equivalent)... does a spirit have a brain, fr0d0? Or are you considering the 'soul' to be exactly what a 'mind' is, fr0d0?
I've said what I think the mind is. It's a product of the brain. I think your spirit is also your soul. It's a gutteral instinct. Something uncontrollable, yet access is facilitated by conscious thought. You think right, your are in harmony with your gut. You think wrong, your gut is twisted. Comprendez? Is it that homonculus thing again?? The part were free will necessarily resides? Where is the free will fr0d0, is it in the mind or in the soul?
(December 8, 2009 at 1:41 am)theVOID Wrote: Do you think Mind = Brain, or do you believe in mind separate from brain in some way? Though I voted yes in the poll, I think the statement is not accurate. The brain is where the mind comes together. However, the total human body contributes to thought processes in the brain. The term thought processes also seems to leave out emotional feelings that clearly can have an origin outside the brain but in the human body and leave a mark on our thought. Antonio Damasio has formulated the so called somatic markers hypothesis to describe this.
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 12, 2009 at 6:52 am
I do indeed believe, on evidence, that the mind is within the brain.
If I were to be brain damage that effects my thinking... and I know of no evidence whatsoever that any of my thinking of anything a 'mind' does can be done outside of my brain or without it.
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 12, 2009 at 11:42 am
(December 12, 2009 at 6:52 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: and I know of no evidence whatsoever that any of my thinking of anything a 'mind' does can be done outside of my brain or without it. Ignorance is not a valid argument.
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 12, 2009 at 2:24 pm
I think that the mind is the result of the brains actions.
The excell spreadsheet is not the computer but it does not exist outside of the computer.
When the computer is off the program would be lost. As all those who had a Sinclair ZX81 can testify.
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 12, 2009 at 6:58 pm
QualiaSoup (awesome critical thinking channel) mentioned some things about the brain / mind connection in his latest video about Dualism:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsPn5dXfTvA
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 12, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I liked that video. I have no problem with it. Best I've seen of his so far. I think he's missing the philosophical point wanting to attribute consciousness to the soul/theoretical immortality. I find it ridiculous to assume sensual properties.
(December 12, 2009 at 5:26 am)Purple Rabbit Wrote: Is it that homonculus thing again?? The part were free will necessarily resides? Where is the free will fr0d0, is it in the mind or in the soul?
There is no free will. You are a free agent. Reasoning is done entirely in the brain.. the mind is within the brain.
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 13, 2009 at 1:12 am
I like that video. I think it is a good idea to get a different perspective on how the mind/brain works. The possibilities are probably endless!!
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RE: Mind = Brain?
December 13, 2009 at 5:54 am
(December 12, 2009 at 7:53 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is no free will. You are a free agent. Reasoning is done entirely in the brain.. the mind is within the brain. Please explain how we can be free agents without free will. Sound awesome.
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