Christians choose delusion

[Rampant.A.I.]

Really playing loose with the the knowledge part here.

[Chad32]

He subscribed to the Fr0d0 version of knowledge, where the search for understanding begins with an assumption.

[Ravenshire]

My God and your God can be felt.

No, it can't

My God and your God can be heard and seen.

Only if you're off your meds.

[truthBtold]

Theres plenty of Christian websites to go to.. now run along..

[Esquilax]

I do not lie. Everything I have said to you is truth.

Sorry, but when you tell us that our position is "if I can't see it, it's not real," after being told not only that this isn't the case, but what the case actually is, then what you are saying is a lie. The first time it might be passed off as a misreading of our responses, but the second time? There's no excuse for that, once you've been set straight. It says that you're either deliberately lying, or you're not reading the posts that are direct responses to you.

Liar, or deliberately ignorant. Those are the only two excuses I can think of for continuing to say wrong things after you've been told that they're wrong. To be clear, these aren't objective things that you can disagree with, these are our opinions, our thoughts; you certainly don't have a better grasp of what those are than we do.

My God and your God can be felt. My God and your God can be heard and seen.

Not to be blunt, but who cares? Your god isn't felt uniformly, and even those who do feel him don't feel anywhere near a consistent description of him. Seeing and hearing things that nobody can agree on, that not everyone can see, and that only those that really are convinced they can see it can, is no great feat.

Insane people do it all the time. In fact, it's one of the main ways one can identify insanity.

[fr0d0]

He subscribed to the Fr0d0 version of knowledge, where the search for understanding begins with an assumption.

* fr0d0 *sticks head above parapet

Not quite!

* fr0d0 slaps the Chad about the head a bit

[Confused Ape]

My God and your God can be felt. My God and your God can be heard and seen.

Have you seen this topic I made yesterday? My"New Age Perception" - The Goddess Is "Real"

Do you believe that the Goddess can be felt, heard and seen? If not, are you going to believe that she can be felt and seen after reading my opening post in that topic?

I haven't heard her because I've never asked her anything. If I did I wouldn't be at all surprised if she replied because my unconscious mind is capable of supplying an answer.

[Ben Davis]

I do not lie. Everything I have said to you is truth.

Then I have to say that you have very loose definitions of 'lie' and 'truth'; so loose, in fact, that they're practically indistinguishable. I'll refer you to Esquilax's response.

I'm truly sorry if I have disrespected anyone, that was not my intent. I was responding to the post that is titled "Christians are delusional". I was wanting to give you a different perspective, another point of view that maybe you have not heard before.

And in fact, all you did was reinforce the perspective of the OP. If that doesn't lead you to rethinking your position, I don't know what will.

I do not come with an argument, I only come to give peace.

...and instead you wound a few of us up with your continued refusal to address the challenges raised against your position.

I was trying to show only this; if you can agree that both visible things and invisible things are real and equal in balance, then perhaps you could find belief and faith in those things which are unseen.

And in return, you were shown 2 things:

1. the things that you define as 'invisible' aren't therefore the balance you see between 'visible & invisible' is false
2. the standard of evidence you have for your beliefs is very low

My God and your God can be felt. My God and your God can be heard and seen.

That's both rude and condescending! It's arrogant, in the extreme, for you to assume acceptance of your god on my behalf! Let me be crystal clear so there's no ambiguity: I don't have a god. You can feel your god because you've willed yourself into believing in it (as you've explained earlier); I have not so I don't. Further, it would be a complete waste of my time willing myself to believe in such an ill-defined and unsubstantiated proposition.

He is best explained here, in the Nag Hammadi library.

That's the first reasonable point you've presented for your position all thread. Of course, what you don't realise is that this demonstrates how low your standard of evidence is: the Nag Hammadi texts are a claim not evidence.

Also, please read Confused Ape's response and consider it carefully. All the 'evidence' you accept for your god can be used as a rationale for accepting his goddess.

[Rampant.A.I.]

He subscribed to the Fr0d0 version of knowledge, where the search for understanding begins with an assumption.

* fr0d0 *sticks head above parapet

Not quite!

* fr0d0 slaps the Chad about the head a bit ;)

* Frodo rams is head back up his ass, where the rest of his explanation is, as usual, muffled and incoherent. *

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I am not delusional.

Conclusions not supported by the evidence.