So Hitler was an Atheist?

[Eilonnwy]

Ughhh, I am sick of Hitler and Nazis in the theological debate. Period.

The fact is that whether Hitler was Christian or not he used Christianity to further his goals and the Catholic church actually approved of it. That's an undeniable historical fact, so honestly as far as I'm considered what Hitler himself really was matters not.

Anytime a Christian tries to argue that Hitler was an atheist or that Hitler's eugenics was founded on "Darwinism", then as far as I'm concerned they've lost the debate because 1) Hitler fallacy and 2) They clearly have no idea what Evolution is (That's given away by the fact they refer to it as Darwinism) and they fall flat on their face when it comes to historical knowledge.

[Purple Rabbit]

Ughhh, I am sick of Hitler and Nazis in the theological debate. Period.

Since Godwin's Law applies we should keep all threads here very short then.

Anytime a Christian tries to argue that Hitler was an atheist or that Hitler's eugenics was founded on "Darwinism", then as far as I'm concerned they've lost the debate because 1) Hitler fallacy and 2) They clearly have no idea what Evolution is (That's given away by the fact they refer to it as Darwinism) and they fall flat on their face when it comes to historical knowledge.

Well said, and that is exactly the clarity we over and over need to give, even when we are sick of it.

[Minimalist]

What does it matter what his reasons were or his religion? He was wrong.

Ah, but had the Germans won the war he would have been "right."

[tackattack]

If a man is the sum of his experiences then assuredly religion is one aspect of that. Just the same I could profess total belief in Christianity and completely go against all moralistic and societal aspects of my life. The fact that some rely on one aspect of a man to color more distain for Christianity is fairly petty as are the Christians who vehemently deny such documented proofs against such. Maping the entirety of a person whom I've never met and spoken with would be difficult in the extreme. Instead let's logically list the truths documented about him to for a more rounded view of his personality.

Religion has been named a great part in the attrocities of this world and I agree mostly. It has also been the cause of great joy and personal freedom. Religion is not God though, it is fallible man's inerrant depiction of a eutopian ideal far outside their grasp.

Nowhere in this thread did anyone suggest that Christianity was the cause of Hitlers tyrany, so just who are you arguing against?

It is implied by

More to the point, Hitler called himself a christian and, if you ask me, he was a stellar example of the breed.

What does it matter what his reasons were or his religion? He was wrong.

Ah, but had the Germans won the war he would have been "right."

History does favor the victors.

[Minimalist]

History does favor is written by the victors.

Fixed.

[tackattack]

+1

[Ashes1995]

Oh, I agree. All the evidence I have seen points to the fact that he was a Christian. I was just making the point that Christians will debate it to death and will say he's an atheist, lol.

me to. i mean he killed anyone who wasnt christian and used the jewish for rescources, everything he did points to him being a strict, but twisted, christian

[Violet]

Twisted? I thought that was what Christians were supposed to believe at the time... the Catholic Church did support him during the relevant time period, after all

[Minimalist]

The terms of the Reichsconcordat make clear what the interests of the church were.....

Terms of the concordat

The main points of the concordat are:

* The right to freedom of the Roman Catholic religion. (Article 1)
* The state concordats with Bavaria (1924), Prussia (1929), and Baden (1932) remain valid. (Article 2)
* Unhindered correspondence between the Holy See and German Catholics. (Article 4)
* The right of the church to collect church taxes. (Article 13)
* The oath of allegiance of the bishops: "(...) Ich schwöre und verspreche, die verfassungsmässig gebildete Regierung zu achten und von meinem Klerus achten zu lassen (...)" ("I swear and vow to honor the constitutional government and to make my clergy honor it") (Article 16)
* State services to the church can be abolished only in mutual agreement. (Article 18)
* Catholic religion is taught in school (article 21) and teachers for Catholic religion can be employed only with the approval of the bishop (article 22).
* Protection of Catholic organizations and freedom of religious practice. (Article 31)
* Clerics may not be members of or be active for political parties. (Article 32)

A secret annex relieved clerics from military duty in the case that mandatory military service should be reinstated. (Germany was not allowed to have mandatory military service by the Treaty of Versailles).

And Hitler got what he wanted, too.

Impact

After the initialing of the treaty on 14 July, the Cabinet minutes record Hitler as saying that the concordat had created an atmosphere of confidence that would be "especially significant in the struggle against international Jewry." In essence, he was claiming that the Catholic Church had publicly given its blessing, at home and abroad, to the policies of National Socialism, including its anti-Semitic stand

[chatpilot]

Not surprising coming from the Catholic church since their history shows that they have done things that make Hitler look like an amateur.