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So Hitler was an Atheist?
#31
RE: So Hitler was an Atheist?
(December 29, 2009 at 1:25 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:History does favor is written by the victors.



Fixed.

"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it." - Winston Churchill
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#32
RE: So Hitler was an Atheist?
(December 29, 2009 at 11:43 am)Minimalist Wrote: The terms of the Reichsconcordat make clear what the interests of the church were.....

Quote:Terms of the concordat

The main points of the concordat are:

* The right to freedom of the Roman Catholic religion. (Article 1)
* The state concordats with Bavaria (1924), Prussia (1929), and Baden (1932) remain valid. (Article 2)
* Unhindered correspondence between the Holy See and German Catholics. (Article 4)
* The right of the church to collect church taxes. (Article 13)
* The oath of allegiance of the bishops: "(...) Ich schwöre und verspreche, die verfassungsmässig gebildete Regierung zu achten und von meinem Klerus achten zu lassen (...)" ("I swear and vow to honor the constitutional government and to make my clergy honor it") (Article 16)
* State services to the church can be abolished only in mutual agreement. (Article 18)
* Catholic religion is taught in school (article 21) and teachers for Catholic religion can be employed only with the approval of the bishop (article 22).
* Protection of Catholic organizations and freedom of religious practice. (Article 31)
* Clerics may not be members of or be active for political parties. (Article 32)

A secret annex relieved clerics from military duty in the case that mandatory military service should be reinstated. (Germany was not allowed to have mandatory military service by the Treaty of Versailles).

And Hitler got what he wanted, too.

Quote: Impact

After the initialing of the treaty on 14 July, the Cabinet minutes record Hitler as saying that the concordat had created an atmosphere of confidence that would be "especially significant in the struggle against international Jewry." In essence, he was claiming that the Catholic Church had publicly given its blessing, at home and abroad, to the policies of National Socialism, including its anti-Semitic stand
That really gives insight Minimalist. It shows how clerical privilege was ensured in exchange for acknowledging secular power of the Nazis. It almost seems a defensible position for the pope to take, since he could claim that he thus ensured safety and freedom for the clergy. But the only way to not be a traitor of christian moral that allegedly defends the rights of the ones in need in society would have been to ensure rights of those outside the clergy.
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#33
RE: So Hitler was an Atheist?
Popes rarely worry about Jews.


Kind of goes with the funny hat and robes!
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