“Intelligence,” OUT OF NOTHINGNESS!

[Esquilax]

If you think Theory of Evolution is a scientific FACT then you have to show evidence for spontaneous generation of organized matter out of nothingness.

Simple question, straight answer, yes or no: do you actually think that any part of the theory of evolution describes that this would happen?

[The Grand Nudger]

If you think Theory of Evolution is a scientific FACT then you have to show evidence for spontaneous generation of organized matter out of nothingness.

Not evolutionary theory.

You also need to give evidence for the matter becoming a living organism

Not evolutionary theory.

and evolve into a complex life form.

Bingo. Though complexity is a bit of a work-in. Things needn't "become complex" and we'd have to define what we mean specifically to talk about complexity - though obviously, that's the way it looks to have gone down here on this rock, speaking in broad strokes, of course.

Of course, all of this would need to happen without prior planning or the assistance of anyone or anything, either in the natural or supernatural realm.

Not evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory concerns itself with explaining the mechanism, the how/why the change we see in evidence took place. Anything beyond that would be some other theory - so...looks like you have a problem with alot of science, not just evolutionary theory. I hope I've helped you discover something about yourself.

[Harris]

If you think Theory of Evolution is a scientific FACT then you have to show evidence for spontaneous generation of organized matter out of nothingness.

Not evolutionary theory.

You also need to give evidence for the matter becoming a living organism

Not evolutionary theory.

and evolve into a complex life form.

Bingo. Though complexity is a bit of a work-in. Things needn't "become complex" and we'd have to define what we mean specifically to talk about complexity - though obviously, that's the way it looks to have gone down here on this rock, speaking in broad strokes, of course.

Of course, all of this would need to happen without prior planning or the assistance of anyone or anything, either in the natural or supernatural realm.

Not evolutionary theory.

Evolutionary theory concerns itself with explaining the mechanism, the how/why the change we see in evidence took place. Anything beyond that would be some other theory - so...looks like you have a problem with alot of science, not just evolutionary theory. I hope I've helped you discover something about yourself.

WHAT??? MECHANISM!!!

Are you saying Theory of Evolution and Natural selection is working according to a MECHANISM?

Read what your FATHER DAWKINS is saying about this,


“Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind’s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vison, no foresight, and no sight at all.”
Page 5
The Blind Watchmaker
Richard Dawkins.

Go and teach this MECHANISM to your FATHER who is the specialist and professor of evolution.

[downbeatplumb]

WHAT??? MECHANISM!!!

Are you saying Theory of Evolution and Natural selection is working according to a MECHANISM?

Read what your FATHER DAWKINS is saying about this,


“Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind’s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vison, no foresight, and no sight at all.”
Page 5
The Blind Watchmaker
Richard Dawkins.

Go and teach this MECHANISM to your FATHER who is the specialist and professor of evolution.

You appear to be railing against something that has not been said.
The mechanism or process of evolution is well understood and is in way planned or purposeful. it is what it is. which at its core is something putting pressure on breeding or survival and the better equipped surviving those pressures and in doing so passing on their traits more successfully than others of the same species.

That is the mechanism which you seem to think implies some guiding intelligence which it does not.

[little_monkey]

WHAT??? MECHANISM!!!

Are you saying Theory of Evolution and Natural selection is working according to a MECHANISM?

Read what your FATHER DAWKINS is saying about this,


“Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind’s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vison, no foresight, and no sight at all.”
Page 5
The Blind Watchmaker
Richard Dawkins.

Go and teach this MECHANISM to your FATHER who is the specialist and professor of evolution.

Probably the word "mechanism" is a poor choice of words, but let's start with the concept of natural selection with a simple example: you have butterflies and we know they come in all sorts of colors. But lets suppose that through a mutation, one butterfly turns out to have the same color of the bark of a tree, making that butterfly when it rests on that tree "invisible" to its predators. Because of this advantage, it has a better chance of survival than those butterflies which have flashy colors and can be easily picked up by their common predators. After a few generations, the butterflies with the mutation will outnumbers the others and soon become the predominant type of butterflies.

Now mutations have no purposes: in this case, it did not intend to make the butterfly invisible to its predators. It just happened that way. Mutations occur because when DNA replicates itself, it makes mistakes - just like you if you were copying a book, there would inevitably be mistakes. So when we say that natural selection has no purpose this is what we are talking about: mutations occur because of copying error. Most mutations are harmless, occasionally they are dangerous to the individuals, and sometimes they give an advantage - like in our case of the butterfly. And when they do give an advantage, the individuals with that mutations will proliferate and eventually outnumber those who weren't born with the advantageous mutation. In the long run, this process will yield a new species, if the right conditions are there for that to happen.

Hope this helps.

[Whateverist]

Are you saying Theory of Evolution and Natural selection is working according to a MECHANISM?

Read what your FATHER DAWKINS is saying about this,

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“Natural selection, the blind, unconscious, automatic process which Darwin discovered, and which we now know is the explanation for the existence and apparently purposeful form of all life has no purpose in mind. It has no mind and no mind’s eye. It does not plan for the future. It has no vison, no foresight, and no sight at all.”
Page 5
The Blind Watchmaker
Richard Dawkins.

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Go and teach this MECHANISM to your FATHER who is the specialist and professor of evolution.

You've got the wrong guys. We're not the ones who take things on authority. You're looking for the bible group down the hall. We're cats and impossible to heard. Anyone can be wrong, Dawkins included .. though your having interpreted him incorrectly seems more likely.

[Cyberman]

Before our friend starts running off at the mouse, I'd just clarify that whateverist meant to say "herd", not "heard".

[Whateverist]

I herd that.

[Esquilax]

You can tell how badly Harris knows this is going for him, since he apparently won't even answer basic questions about what he thinks evolution even is. He's taken to ignoring me, when all I've asked him is to tell us whether the things he's saying accurately reflect what he believes evolution to be.

I'm left with the sneaking suspicion that he actually knows what he's saying and what evolution actually describes are two different things, but he finds it so much easier to argue against a strawman that he's happy to lie.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Harris, time to stop talking about things you don't understand.

That is, unless you want the Internet to keep having a good laugh at your expense.

You herd that? Time to stop making decisions buddy, ok?