What are you willing to do for Bryan Fischer?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Nobody is suggesting that this Fischer character isn't a deplorable asshole, but I'm not in the habit of interrogating bloodied human speedbumps while on a stroll prior to getting them medical attention. No matter what his views are or the manner in which he disseminates them, I believe he can be countered without allowing him to writhe alone in pain until he succumbs to his injuries. I fear promoting Judge Dredd behavior by those with hypersensitivity to crankish opinions than I do to the crankish opinions themselves. The OP also doesn't consider the fact that if Fischer were to pass on the street that there will be some other asshole to immediately take his place.

Reciprocity is also in play. I would hope that somebody encountering my bloody mass would lend assistance without considering how my opinions mesh with their view of existence.

QFT.

I'd like to think of myself as being able to even help my enemy if they're in need of my assistance and I'm able to give it.

I don't see any need for us to sink to their level in this regards. We should be (and are) the better person for rising above this and acting with compassion and empathy.

Easy to say when not confronted with the situation, but it's an ideal I'd want to aspire to.

[Zidneya]

And, just for the record, Bryan Fischer is a spokesman for the American Family Association and is a particularly terrifying mix of far-right-wing and influential. Here's a list of some more colorful views he has publicly expressed:

• He thinks Anders Breivik's analysis of Islam is accurate, but considers him Muslim, because terrorists are, by definition, Muslim.
  
• He believes the First amendment applies only to Triune Christians.
  
• He believes Anthony Weiner only ran for mayor of New York so his wife could engage in Jihadist activity.
  
• He believes women should not serve in the military, run for office, or vote.
  
• Regardless of this, he is convinced that anyone who criticises Sarah Palin is possessed by Satan.
  
• He believes gay people perpetrated the Holocaust.
  
• He insists the clusterfuck over Sandra Fluke makes the left look more misogynistic than the right.
  
• Because some southern Democrats supported the Jim Crow laws decades ago, therefore all liberals are racist. Therefore, all racists are liberals.
  
• Is convinced Obama is as racist and paranoid as he is, and is convinced Homeland Security wants to kill him and, to this end, is stockpiling ammunition.
  
• Thinks Obama is importing Muslims from elsewhere for the express purposes of destroying America.
  
• Believes that Obama photoshopped himself into the famous Situation Room photo.
  
• Insists Native Americans are still poor because they still retain ties to their old culture, and, thus genocide against them is/was justified.
  
• Believes that JC Penney's hiring Ellen DeGeneres as their spokeswoman will lead women into lesbianism, and, therefore, in his mind, anyway, a shitty life.
  
• Considers anti-gay hate crimes to be justifiable.
  
• Considers it good to kidnap children from same-sex couples.
  
• Assumes Global Warming is somehow a religion.
  
• Refuses to believe HIV causes AIDS.
  
• Thinks a soldier who saved one of his comrades' lives is unworthy of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
  
• Thinks that a bear attack at Yellowstone Park is the result of man turning his back on God, and, to avoid this, we should kill EVERY WILD ANIMAL IN EXISTENCE.
  
• Insists the rise in HPV is due to Bill Clinton.
  
• Thinks Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" quote is accurate.
  
• Thinks Hispanics are socialists by nature and, thus, lazy, and vote Democratic.
  

The source for all this was RationalWiki's page on Bryan Fischer.

And, if that wasn't enough, here's his FSTDT page.

So, there is a reason some people would consider this a dilemma.

Thanks Rev. Rye. I didn't want to add many info because sometimes people find lazy to read data that they already know. And also I wanted to give a more impartial posture. Nevertheless this may help those who don't know the man history and get them to understand more about the topic.

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So maybe I fellate him while he lays dying ??

Could you take pictures…or a video.
Even if he survives with those images we wouldn't have to worry that other people pay attention to him. And if he dies those would prevent him from becoming a martyr.

[Coffee Jesus]

If our worldview really is superior, we shouldn't have to promote it by killing our opponents. Pragmatic ethics is my ultimate moral paradigm, and this metaethical theory tells me that it's counterproductive to kill people for holding different viewpoints.

[Ryantology]

Is it okay if I call 911 and then stuff his pockets with little baggies of black tar heroin?

[Simon Moon]

[quote='Rev. Rye' pid='673280' dateline='1400601241']
And, just for the record, Bryan Fischer is a spokesman for the American Family Association and is a particularly terrifying mix of far-right-wing and influential. Here's a list of some more colorful views he has publicly expressed:

• He thinks Anders Breivik's analysis of Islam is accurate, but considers him Muslim, because terrorists are, by definition, Muslim.
  
• He believes the First amendment applies only to Triune Christians.
  
• He believes Anthony Weiner only ran for mayor of New York so his wife could engage in Jihadist activity.
  
• He believes women should not serve in the military, run for office, or vote.
  
• Regardless of this, he is convinced that anyone who criticises Sarah Palin is possessed by Satan.
  
• He believes gay people perpetrated the Holocaust.
  
• He insists the clusterfuck over Sandra Fluke makes the left look more misogynistic than the right.
  
• Because some southern Democrats supported the Jim Crow laws decades ago, therefore all liberals are racist. Therefore, all racists are liberals.
  
• Is convinced Obama is as racist and paranoid as he is, and is convinced Homeland Security wants to kill him and, to this end, is stockpiling ammunition.
  
• Thinks Obama is importing Muslims from elsewhere for the express purposes of destroying America.
  
• Believes that Obama photoshopped himself into the famous Situation Room photo.
  
• Insists Native Americans are still poor because they still retain ties to their old culture, and, thus genocide against them is/was justified.
  
• Believes that JC Penney's hiring Ellen DeGeneres as their spokeswoman will lead women into lesbianism, and, therefore, in his mind, anyway, a shitty life.
  
• Considers anti-gay hate crimes to be justifiable.
  
• Considers it good to kidnap children from same-sex couples.
  
• Assumes Global Warming is somehow a religion.
  
• Refuses to believe HIV causes AIDS.
  
• Thinks a soldier who saved one of his comrades' lives is unworthy of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
  
• Thinks that a bear attack at Yellowstone Park is the result of man turning his back on God, and, to avoid this, we should kill EVERY WILD ANIMAL IN EXISTENCE.
  
• Insists the rise in HPV is due to Bill Clinton.
  
• Thinks Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" quote is accurate.
  
• Thinks Hispanics are socialists by nature and, thus, lazy, and vote Democratic.
  

The source for all this was RationalWiki's page on Bryan Fischer.

And, if that wasn't enough, here's his FSTDT page.

So, there is a reason some people would consider this a dilemma.

This is one of the many reasons why it is not a dilemma for me.


The more nut jobs like this guy there are spouting their bigotry, the more it discredits ALL religion. I want guys like this out there. They are among the best enemies religion has.

Yes, I would help him, no questions asked.

[Zidneya]

If our worldview really is superior, we shouldn't have to promote it by killing our opponents. Pragmatic ethics is my ultimate moral paradigm, and this metaethical theory tells me that it's counterproductive to kill people for holding different viewpoints.

So that's why you would save him? To feel superior?(A hard accusation I know but to be honest I don't think that I didn't misinterpreted what you said did I?) And another question what is more counterproductive? Kill people that hold different viewpoints? Or helping people that hold different viewpoints?

Is it okay if I call 911 and then stuff his pockets with little baggies of black tar heroin?

I like your style

This is one of the many reasons why it is not a dilemma for me.


The more nut jobs like this guy there are spouting their bigotry, the more it discredits ALL religion.

Tell that to the nazis. Thousands supported the holocaust and millions were killed during it(and I'm not talking only about the jews, there where apse the gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses as well) yet christianity persists in our days. And religions not only persist but is considered a normal attribute of any human being.

I want guys like this out there.

Seriously? And I'm the one who's been judge by formulating this question?
Not the guy that wants more denialists, homophobes, misogynists and christian extremist.
But me? Seriously?

They are among the best enemies religion has.

Many people say this as well. But it's only when our enemies start winning that we take a look at what we were saying.

[The Valkyrie]

I would provide whatever assistance is required.

I would also specify to him, after he has been looked after, that I'm an atheist.

[Simon Moon]

This is one of the many reasons why it is not a dilemma for me.


The more nut jobs like this guy there are spouting their bigotry, the more it discredits ALL religion.

Tell that to the nazis. Thousands supported the holocaust and millions were killed during it(and I'm not talking only about the jews, there where apse the gypsies, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses as well) yet christianity persists in our days. And religions not only persist but is considered a normal attribute of any human being.

I want guys like this out there.

Seriously? And I'm the one who's been judge by formulating this question?
Not the guy that wants more denialists, homophobes, misogynists and christian extremist.
But me? Seriously?

They are among the best enemies religion has.

Many people say this as well. But it's only when our enemies start winning that we take a look at what we were saying.

Guys like him are not going to lead to Fascism.

An argument can be made that we are already in the first stages of Fascism, lead by corporations. Not by right wing crackpots.

F

[Coffee Jesus]

If our worldview really is superior, we shouldn't have to promote it by killing our opponents. Pragmatic ethics is my ultimate moral paradigm, and this metaethical theory tells me that it's counterproductive to kill people for holding different viewpoints.

So that's why you would save him? To feel superior?(A hard accusation I know but to be honest I don't think that I didn't misinterpreted what you said did I?) And another question what is more counterproductive? Kill people that hold different viewpoints? Or helping people that hold different viewpoints?

No, I would save him because I'm not so certain of my beliefs that I'm willing to kill my opponents. Pragmatic ethics emphasizes inquiry, and while he may be prejudiced and uncompromising on a trite issue, he has to be free to make his case or else we cannot claim to embrace free inquiry. If I refuse to save him because of his beliefs, then I am discriminating against him on the basis of his beliefs, and such discrimination is counterproductive to free inquiry.

[Coffee Jesus]

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• He thinks Anders Breivik's analysis of Islam is accurate, but considers him Muslim, because terrorists are, by definition, Muslim.
  
• He believes the First amendment applies only to Triune Christians.
  
• He believes Anthony Weiner only ran for mayor of New York so his wife could engage in Jihadist activity.
  
• He believes women should not serve in the military, run for office, or vote.
  
• Regardless of this, he is convinced that anyone who criticises Sarah Palin is possessed by Satan.
  
• He believes gay people perpetrated the Holocaust.
  
• He insists the clusterfuck over Sandra Fluke makes the left look more misogynistic than the right.
  
• Because some southern Democrats supported the Jim Crow laws decades ago, therefore all liberals are racist. Therefore, all racists are liberals.
  
• Is convinced Obama is as racist and paranoid as he is, and is convinced Homeland Security wants to kill him and, to this end, is stockpiling ammunition.
  
• Thinks Obama is importing Muslims from elsewhere for the express purposes of destroying America.
  
• Believes that Obama photoshopped himself into the famous Situation Room photo.
  
• Insists Native Americans are still poor because they still retain ties to their old culture, and, thus genocide against them is/was justified.
  
• Believes that JC Penney's hiring Ellen DeGeneres as their spokeswoman will lead women into lesbianism, and, therefore, in his mind, anyway, a shitty life.
  
• Considers anti-gay hate crimes to be justifiable.
  
• Considers it good to kidnap children from same-sex couples.
  
• Assumes Global Warming is somehow a religion.
  
• Refuses to believe HIV causes AIDS.
  
• Thinks a soldier who saved one of his comrades' lives is unworthy of the Congressional Medal of Honor.
  
• Thinks that a bear attack at Yellowstone Park is the result of man turning his back on God, and, to avoid this, we should kill EVERY WILD ANIMAL IN EXISTENCE.
  
• Insists the rise in HPV is due to Bill Clinton.
  
• Thinks Todd Akin's "legitimate rape" quote is accurate.
  
• Thinks Hispanics are socialists by nature and, thus, lazy, and vote Democratic.
  

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Hmmm, this was kind of TL-DR the first time I looked at it.

Are you sure you're not exaggerating?