Rape

[BlackMason]

Whats the point of having all those people making psychologyical studies if were not gonna take in count their results?There are a lot of studies about school bullies, kleptomaniacs, nymphomaniacs and claustrophobic as well. And to be honest I don't think that to understand the patients one has to start doing those activities as well.

When did I say that? When did I say we should not pay attention to psychological studies? Go ahead and show me one so that I can give it due consideration. I was responding to a guy who said some psychologist told him that rapes are about power and control. As though that is definitely the case. Bullshit. That's talking out your arse if I ever saw it. There is not conclusive evidence for the claim he made. One psychologist's say so is not compelling evidence. A large amount of psychological studies on the subject might have some say in it, but as of yet nothing about such has been posted in this thread. I'd be interested to see the statistics on how many rapes occur whilst intoxicated too, as that could go a long way to throwing doubt on this whole idea. I flat out call bullshit on this claim.

Maybe you need to tone down your sensitivity to literal language and use your brain a bit more. Only an idiot would use absolutes when speaking. I guess it would also take an idiot to assume one was speaking in absolutes. I didn't say ALL rapes have this going for them. I also didn't see the need to mention that I'm not talking about all cases. That'd be idiotic and inefficient.

[Napoléon]

Maybe you need to tone down your sensitivity to literal language and use your brain a bit more. Only an idiot would use absolutes when speaking. I didn't say ALL rapes have this going for them. I all didn't see the need to mention that I'm not talking about all cases. That'd be idiotic.

Or maybe you need to back up what you fucking say. Even if we say most. Give me evidence to support your claim. You reckoning some psychologist did a study on it, isn't exactly compelling.

[BlackMason]

Maybe you need to tone down your sensitivity to literal language and use your brain a bit more. Only an idiot would use absolutes when speaking. I didn't say ALL rapes have this going for them. I all didn't see the need to mention that I'm not talking about all cases. That'd be idiotic.

Or maybe you need to back up what you fucking say. Even if we say most. Give me evidence to support your claim. You reckoning some psychologist did a study on it, isn't exactly compelling.

Or not motherfucker! Not everything thats said in conversation needs to be backed up asshole. I'm not reckoning either shit face. I'm not holding a gun to your head and saying you gotta believe me bitch. I was merely trying to add another piece to the proverbial puzzle. Take it or leave it. At least someone may benefit so suck my dick.

Chip on your shoulder like your name sake pussy ass internet warrior.

[Napoléon]

So, to translate:

"I'm talking shit and I don't have any evidence to back up what I'm saying".

Do carry on, I don't have time to debate children.

[BlackMason]

So, to translate:

"I'm talking shit and I don't have any evidence to back up what I'm saying".

Do carry on, I don't have time to debate children.

Like I said, no gun in my hand punk. The idea does sound feasible though.

[Zidneya]

When did I say that? When did I say we should not pay attention to psychological studies?

Oh, I'm sorry. You heard it from a psychologist? Well then it must be true!

Why do you think psychologist words count more? Why do you think they say that in the first place? They say it because that's the conclusion that the studies have shown.

Go ahead and show me one so that I can give it due consideration.

Emmm if you say that you are open to take in consideration what studies say. Why do you get picky? Many studies claim that however I have the feeling that it's gonna take me a while to find a study that you won't object for.

I was responding to a guy who said some psychologist told him that rapes are about power and control.

I said that as well.I made a list of the elements and causes of rape and power and control was among them. Check it out if you want in the previous posts if you don't believe me.

One psychologist's say so is not compelling evidence. A large amount of psychological studies on the subject might have some say in it, but as of yet nothing about such has been posted in this thread. I'd be interested to see the statistics on how many rapes occur whilst intoxicated too, as that could go a long way to throwing doubt on this whole idea. I flat out call bullshit on this claim.

The reason why he and I concur it's because it is what they say in many studies.

That one of the causes of rapists desires comes from the feeling of gaining power because they feel emasculated by a member of the opposite sex.

And if you don't believe us(because I have the feeling that your not gonna just accept what I said)that's up to you.However I'm not gonna start looking studies that you can search perfectly by yourself just because you don't believe me. I'm not your lackey.

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There are a lot of studies about school bullies, kleptomaniacs, nymphomaniacs and claustrophobic as well. And to be honest I don't think that to understand the patients one has to start doing those activities as well.

What's wrong with that one?

If you want to do that go ahead I won't object.
But Rememember.
No glove no Love.

[BlackMason]

Like I said, no gun in my hand punk. The idea does sound feasible though.

Building on this I'll take the time to mention my side of the world. I'm South African. I live in rape central. We don't play games with rape here. It be a serious sport here. I'm talking bout grown ass men raping 2 month old babies that end up needing their vulvas stiched up, grown ass men raping 89 year old grannies. Statutory rape is another thing but that also happens everywhere around the world. In the news one time, burglars got into an occupied house. They raped the mother, the daughter AND THE FATHER! We just need more men to start raping men and we qualify as the new Sodom and Gomorrah. Let's not go into the scary unreported rape scene because it's fucked all the way up. Fathers raping their daughters shit.

So I'm gonna believe a psychologist who interviewed convicted rapists in prison, men who actually do these deplorable acts. Perhaps the psychologist lied, but I see no reason why she would.

Another thing on a side note: I'm a sceptic so I fully understand the value of backing up things. I sometimes think that as sceptics, we over do our requirement to have furnished proof of what we talk about. As in this case I think we over do it to the point of paranoia. I feel this way especially since it is near impossible to back up somethings in conversation. So should we just not talk to each other and drop the discussion? Should we walk around with giant stacks of paper just in case we may run into a discussion? No, you fucking asinine fool. The overboard scepticism is also a cheap defense system. Find yourself in a sticky situation, no problem! Elevate your scepticism to unassailable levels. Rinse repeat and problem solved. Not everyone has access to information readily available jackass!

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To further compound the issue, we are the reigning champions of the HIV/AIDS game. So add ignorance and an already over the top rape appetite, you have yourself a sort of biological nuclear bomb of epic proportions. There is a lot of rape awareness going on in schools to help save people from getting nuked.

I'd like to see the parallels between rape and bullying. I remember hearing they're quite simiar.

[Napoléon]

Why do you think psychologist words count more? Why do you think they say that in the first place? They say it because that's the conclusion that the studies have shown.

Argument from authority until you can back up what you say.

Emmm if you say that you are open to take in consideration what studies say. Why do you get picky? Many studies claim that however I have the feeling that it's gonna take me a while to find a study that you won't object for.

You can have that feeling all you want. Show me a study, any study. I think my fellow members here will attest that I'm usually pretty intellectually honest. If you can prove your case then go for it. I'm still not convinced because, still, no one has linked me to anything to conclusively say most rapes are about power and control. I'm not denying it might be the case in many situations, but I personally don't think it's as cut and dry as that.

I said that as well.I made a list of the elements and causes of rape and power and control was among them. Check it out if you want in the previous posts if you don't believe me.

If I remember correctly I gave you kudos on that very post.

The reason why he and I concur it's because it is what they say in many studies.

That one of the causes of rapists desires comes from the feeling of gaining power because they feel emasculated by a member of the opposite sex.

And if you don't believe us(because I have the feeling that your not gonna just accept what I said)that's up to you.However I'm not gonna start looking studies that you can search perfectly by yourself just because you don't believe me. I'm not your lackey.

That's fine, I could find many studies that are equally as compelling to suggest that rape is not about power and control. Bottom line is nothing is conclusive, and I'll continue to call out the bullshit of anyone who says so when they won't even be arsed to back up their fucking claims. That's not my job. If you say something I think the least you should do is provide better evidence for what you're saying than "most psychologists say this".

[BlackMason]

First and foremost, rape is not contained to a male perpetrator-female victim paradigm. I think most rational people are aware of this, yet I see it ignored time and time again.

Depends where you're from. In South Africa this was not the case before. In fact the law needed revision to reflect what you're saying because a male couldn't be raped.

The Definition of Rape and Consent

The new South African law around rape came into effect in December 2007. This law is called the Sexual Offences and Related Matters Amendment Act, No. 32 of 2007.
Important Features of the Sexual Offences act:
The age of consent for both men and women is now 16 years
Rape victims must get anti-retroviral drugs to prevent them being infected with HIV
Rape victims may ask the court to test alleged rapists for HIV
All sexual crimes are included in one law
A number of new sexual crimes, particularly those affecting children and people with mental disabilities, have been created
All forms of sexual abuse or exploitation are crimes
Both men and women are considered to be victims and perpetrators of rape

http://www.shukumisa.org.za/index.php/rape-and-consent

[Bad Wolf]

Another thing on a side note: I'm a sceptic so I fully understand the value of backing up things. I sometimes think that as sceptics, we over do our requirement to have furnished proof of what we talk about. As in this case I think we over do it to the point of paranoia. I feel this way especially since it is near impossible to back up somethings in conversation. So should we just not talk to each other and drop the discussion? Should we walk around with giant stacks of paper just in case we may run into a discussion? No, you fucking asinine fool. The overboard scepticism is also a cheap defense system. Find yourself in a sticky situation, no problem! Elevate your scepticism to unassailable levels. Rinse repeat and problem solved.

No, no, no! Asking someone to back up their assertion with evidence is the only way we discuss things. It doesn't apply to everything like throwaway statements like 'I have a dog' but when you assert something relevant to the topic, and someone disagrees with you, you are obliged to reveal how you know this. This is just a stupid attempt to avoid the burden of proof.

Not everyone has access to information readily available jackass!

You are on the internet, everyone has access to information. And if you don't have that particular information at hand, well then, you should wait until you do before you assert something.