Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 29, 2024, 7:38 am

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
#81
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: And they're not an army of liberal thugs? To be honest pal, I've been around this forum for a long time, a lot longer than you to know the whole structure. In every large scale debate, I've been a one man side, replying to multiple posters at a time, taking the heat, trying to keep my cool at the same time. And I still keep my cool.

Have you tried... not insulting entire groups of people based on your own bigoted views? How would you feel if I started calling you a retard for being a theist? If I knew your religion, I could go deeper and really bring out all the stereotypes YOU brought when YOU spoke of my friends (homosexuals) and one of my former partners.

(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I use the term liberal to denote who they are. Did any of them come to deny the term? No.

They didn't come to deny it for the same reasons they don't deny other insults: because they're either not insults in their minds, or because they're irrelevant.

(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Yet I stand by my main point. I firmly believe in the family institution. And I know that neo-liberalism and leftist counter-culture movements do not care the slightest about the institution of family. Their ideology has been constructed by the notorious Frankfurt School of thought that actively seeks to undermine these institutions.

I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Seriously. You (people who throw around "liberal" like it's an insult) never make sense when you start ranting about "liberals this" and "liberals that".

(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: There is not a shred of defamation in my words. I have no need for defamation.

Sure there's not... Saying homosexuals are drug addicts who keep children as pets to get attention is certainly not defamation... Hey, did you hear about the muslim who blew up some people because they dared depict Mohammed? Or the christian who killed her children because God told her to? Or the mormon who tried saving someone from a bullet and was surprised when his magic underwear didn't protect him? Or the Amish who shaved other Amish's beards? Or the South Africans who burned children alive because they were albinos? Or (...)?
No defamation here; no, sir.

(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Esen kal.

No clue what this means either.

EDIT: I also want to note you still haven't addressed why you won't debate ME. I have an idea, but I'd like to see you confirm it before I say it.
The truth is absolute. Life forms are specks of specks (...) of specks of dust in the universe.
Why settle for normal, when you can be so much more? Why settle for something, when you can have everything?

[Image: LB_Header_Idea_A.jpg]
Reply
#82
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
All turks wear a Fez and have mustaches, without exception. Including the women. A young male Turk is only enters into adulthood after completing the Ennek Kutlama, which consists of orally satisfying four Turkish elders, called "Lolipops," at which point a large, tapered plug is installed into the anus of the young man, called the Göt Lalesi Hapak. As Turks are fascinated with beastiality, several large Donkeys are often involved in the ceremony.
Reply
#83
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: In every large scale debate, I've been a one man side,
When the whole world seems to be against you... perhaps it's not them who are wrong... Wink

(May 28, 2014 at 4:48 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: Yet I stand by my main point. I firmly believe in the family institution.

The family institution is not the case in session, here.
The family institution is safeguarded by the vast majority of straight couples with children.... about a third of whom end up divorced, single parents, at least, for a while.

If I can call a single parent with a kid a family, what's to prevent me from doing the same when there are two persons with a kid?

Earlier, you mentioned that straight couples have to wait to adopt... what are they waiting for? The right kid? The right age, the right gender... the right paycheck...?
Reply
#84
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
Kilic Mehmet, I challenge you to remain in this conversation and to open up your heart to the possibility that you refuse to hear any evidence whatsoever because your ears are closed by your religion. The very thing you want us to do--rationally evaluate your standpoint--you wont do for us. Why are you even here? In this case its pretty obvious: to change our minds.

You're doing a shoddy job of it, my friend.

I'd like to know why you believe as you do, and compare it to the information I have already. Though I fear my information will be facts and your reasoning will be because a book told you so.

If homosexuals are as horrible as you believe, then you should have no problem providing evidenciary support.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

[Image: tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif]
Reply
#85
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 5:14 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote:
(May 26, 2014 at 5:49 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, you can't be sure of it, but the odds are certainly in favour of these kids being better off than they were.

Boru
Well, if parenting is all about giving them material goods, toys, food...Perhaps, who knows. But I personally don't think that these people were ever meant to be parents.
It is not natural for a child to have two fathers.
It makes no real sense. They should be given to normal people.
Catholic or non-catholic.

Who's to say this homosexual couple couldn't raise these children?
I would like to know why you think that two fathers couldn't raise these children.
I personally believe that two homosexuals could raise a child with the same efficiency as a "normal" couple. While being more successful with raising opened minded individuals.
Reply
#86
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 28, 2014 at 12:30 pm)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: This wasn't really about them though. We're not talking about whether two people should be together or not. Many of them come together with the hopes of having children of their own, when they learn that one of them or both are sterile.
Its really unrelated to the subject at hand.

What I'm trying to demonstrate is that all of these fripperies that you frame your argument with really don't apply exclusively to the subject of homosexuality, and that what you're really doing is trying to couch your emotionally driven bigotry in a series of illusory better reasons, because you know that the personal opinion your position actually is, is not particularly compelling to other people.

Quote:So is this about me then? To be honest, I don't think too much about the disabled, or the gays. I have other things to worry about. When I see them I give thanks to the almighty that I was born healthy and normal. That's all. But I bear nothing special towards the disabled as they do not actually constitute part of the counter-culture movement, so there is no way that I will be pitted against them. Many of them are mentally disabled, and have their thinking severely restricted. It is as though they have been touched by angels, they do not have to worry about the complexities of life.
On the other hand, there are the people you so fervently protect. After insulting practically every value regarding decency, they try to bend society over to be subversive to their will. This I cannot tolerate.

Ahhh, so you're alright with any kind of person, so long as they don't have the audacity to fight for their rights, where their visibility might bother you.

Again I say, grow up: nobody owes you their silence.

Quote:There is no flaw in my reasoning.
You fool yourself. Regardless of your position, these people are abnormal.

Actually, there is a flaw, which is that you're targeting one specific group of people, out of the entirety that your argument actually addressed. Now, you've gone on to expound on your (childish and inane, it turns out) reasons, which does show that there was more to this than I'd known, but don't blame your inability to adequately communicate your position on me.

Other than that, your baseless assertion of abnormality has been noted, and rejected. That which can be asserted without evidence can and will be dismissed without it.

Quote:Changed, oh well. And? That has superseded the main function of sex and sexual organs?
The main function of sex is to procreate. Its virtually the same for every animal that features two sexes.

I don't really need to argue against "nuh uh!" Rolleyes

Quote:And you've nothing to say?

To a bald assertion? I don't really need to say anything: repeating yourself doesn't rebut my argument at all.

Quote:The purpose of it is to go into a vajina. The purpose of the vajina is to take it.
That's all I'm going to say.

You also pee out of it, so I could make an equally strong case that the purpose of your genitals is urination, and you're perverting that by having all that filthy straight sex with it.

Quote:Wow, nice reasoning. In your reasoning, there shouldn't be anything called a family. The whole world should be one big party, everyone just doing things to be more happy about themselves, to get the greatest pleasure from life.

What a ridiculous non-sequitur. Rolleyes

Quote:Just because he wasn't able to get homosexu, he was very unhappy and this would "reflect" on his wife and children somehow. Yeah.

Yes, actually: do you think his wife would be happy, persisting in a marriage where her husband is sexually incompatible with her, and doesn't have the same depth of feeling? Would she be happy knowing that the man she married is unhappy specifically because he's having to persist there? Would the child be happy knowing his parents are unhappy because they're having to stick together for him?

See, this tells me everything I need to know, and confirmed my worst fears about how you think: you couldn't even imagine what the other participants in the arrangement you want would have been feeling. Did you even consider them? Do you even care?

This is exactly what I was talking about, this unthinking scrabble to preserve an ancient status quo heedless of the human cost. Society isn't just something that you feed human beings to, trample them down, to sustain, Mehmet.

Quote:Though this isn't exclusive to homos. Many normal people tend to do the same thing. They get married to find personal happiness, which is not what marriage is about. They get frustrated, and search for happiness elsewhere.
Many leave even their children, they just don't care. Their selfishness has reached such a degree that they even begin to see their families as liabilities, something that is between them and their happiness.

Better that they leave and give everyone a chance at happiness, rather than treating their own family as expendable pawns in a culture war that only serves to keep old men comfortable at the cost of everyone else.

Quote:As I said, if you want personal happiness, search it elsewhere. You won't find it in marriage nor the family institution. Happiness in these institutions come from the happiness of your partner and the happiness of your children.
Marriage and family is built on alturism, not on selfishness.

And yet, of the two of us, you're the one advocating that people stay in loveless, unhappy marriages just because staying in marriages is what people did in the past. Your entire argument is basically that people should do this and not that, because the latter makes you uncomfortable, and you're talking to me about selfishness?

Quote:Well, it doesn't matter if they wanted or not. My point was that they never were a part of the familial institution. Most lived out either secret lives, or lives of prostitution and debauchery.
I don't think that you can actually find a historical basis for gays to stand when it comes to the instiution of the family. There is none.

"If gays wanted to be a part of social institutions, they shouldn't have been persecuted by me and people like me for so long!"

Are you even passingly familiar with how empathy works, Mehmet? Can you put yourself in someone else's situation for a bit? The real situation and not the fucking cartoon you keep imagining.

Quote:They cannot adopt children here. Here, adoptions are only made to people who are married. Single people do not qualifiy.

And... the whole world is your country? Thinking

Quote:And I believe that its the same in many other countries.

Not in America or Australia, but you still seem to be ignoring that the point you're making doesn't answer my point, nor does it nullify it. Thinking

Quote:However the criterias for adoption have seemingly changed in some countries, to address what? The needs of children? No.
This only means that the orphanages have shifted their priorities from finding children a proper home consisting of a father and a mother, to giving off children to gays and singles(probably feminists).

So, do you care to answer my actual point, now?

Quote:Why they would want to is beyond me. Why they would be granted a child is even further beyond me. Why not give the child to a proper family instead?

The more you talk, the more you make yourself out to be the selfish one: you would deny children any sort of parent because some types of parents you dislike.

Quote:But as you see, in the example you gave to me, there already were children involved.
Regardless of what your stupid example was, my point still stands. It only serves to confuse children.
Although I'm fairly certain that gays will spare no gory details about their unholy unions to the new number they brought into their flock.

So, do you make your strawmen yourself, or do you order them from somewhere?

Quote:Is there such a thing as a right wing kid? Didn't know that.
In addition to that I'm sure that even the smartest kid cannot possibly comprehend how it happens that he has two fathers, or two mothers, whereas everyone else has one of each.

How is it any more difficult than explaining to a child that one of their parents has died? See, you do this a lot, where you make an assertion and then... that's it. Support your arguments.

Quote:I'll do it the same way you do. How about allowing incestious couples to adopt children!

I'm not sure that I'd have terribly much to say about that, actually. And I'm sure your argument against it will be nothing more than "it's just wrong!" followed by some insipid caricature.

Quote:Whatever it is called, the children are becoming a part of this filth.
Sounds sweet, yeah, as if two moms are not enough, now three moms.

When you say things like this and offer nothing else, it just shows me that you care more about your personal opinions than whether or not this could actually be a good thing for the kid involved.

Quote:I'm sorry but what else is there to know about this? Is there some kind of a high philosophical truth behind the degenerate relationship of a woman that has multiple husbands that I'm unaware of?
There is nothing to be said about it, they are doing it because they're sexual deviants, perverts, and they love it.

I could actually tell you quite a bit about those relationships, and how strong they can be, and what benefits they confer outside of the bedroom, but it's fairly clear that you'd be unwilling to listen if I did. I don't really feel like spending a couple paragraphs explaining myself, only to be hit with "is degenerate!" when I'm done.

Have you any interest at all in actually conversing on the merits of these topics, or are you just here to spout rhetoric until we all get bored and move on to more productive debate opposition?

Quote:Well, have you read the rest of his post?

Unfortunately. Dodgy
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee

Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects!
Reply
#87
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
"This commandment is about obedience and respect for authority; in other words it's simply a device for controlling people. The truth is, obedience and respect should not be granted automatically. They should be earned. They should be based on the parents' (or the authority figure's) performance. Some parents deserve respect. Most of them don't. Period."
-George Carlin

I really hate parents who beat their kids, these assholes should be beaten to death.
[Image: eUdzMRc.gif]
Reply
#88
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote: On every other subject, two parents are always better than one.

I hate to be controversial but I disagree with this statement.
(August 21, 2017 at 11:31 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: "I'm not a troll"
Religious Views: He gay

0/10

Hammy Wrote:and we also have a sheep on our bed underneath as well
Reply
#89
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 29, 2014 at 5:32 am)Losty Wrote:
(May 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote: On every other subject, two parents are always better than one.

I hate to be controversial but I disagree with this statement.

yup, what if one of them is a shitty parent, then only one parent could be better .
[Image: eUdzMRc.gif]
Reply
#90
RE: Gay pair to adopt children of unfit Catholic parents
(May 29, 2014 at 5:32 am)Losty Wrote:
(May 27, 2014 at 6:34 pm)pocaracas Wrote: On every other subject, two parents are always better than one.

I hate to be controversial but I disagree with this statement.

Oh, the woes of over-generalizations... Arrgghh

Fire on!
Reply



Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  George Zimmerman suing parents of Trayvon Martin among others Cecelia 140 6944 December 11, 2019 at 11:13 pm
Last Post: EgoDeath
  Saudi Arabia: beating children is finally recorded and exposed WinterHold 13 1220 November 21, 2019 at 6:06 am
Last Post: BrianSoddingBoru4
  #UNFIT Documentary trailer.... Brian37 0 183 March 20, 2019 at 10:04 am
Last Post: Brian37
  Should ISIS fighters/wives/children be repatriated? brewer 112 6493 March 9, 2019 at 9:52 pm
Last Post: Shell B
  Parents form "prayer circle" over gay stage kiss Foxaèr 14 1647 November 13, 2018 at 6:53 pm
Last Post: Fireball
  Fucking Catholic Sacks of Shit Minimalist 0 430 October 28, 2018 at 9:39 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Catholic abuse investigations expand. brewer 29 2894 September 11, 2018 at 4:57 pm
Last Post: KevinM1
  Yemen children massacre WinterHold 14 1681 September 5, 2018 at 6:11 am
Last Post: WinterHold
  Melania visits kids taken from their parents? Brian37 36 4566 June 22, 2018 at 11:12 am
Last Post: Brian37
  Alex Jones being sued by parents of Sandy Hook Victims Divinity 26 3588 April 20, 2018 at 7:23 am
Last Post: Brian37



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)