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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm
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(June 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 1:17 pm)Irrational Wrote: No, that's not what I said. I don't consider an uncaused universe a supernatural thing.
So if the universe had no beginning, then it always existed. That means that God and the universe share at least one attribute. I wonder if there is a limit or boundary to the universe? And if so, what is beyond the edge of the universe?
Well, I wonder if God (if he were to exist) must be limitless.
Either way, because the possibility of an ultimate uncaused universe has not yet been reasonably ruled out, then the necessity of God's existence is not reasonable.
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:11 pm
(June 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 1:17 pm)Irrational Wrote: No, that's not what I said. I don't consider an uncaused universe a supernatural thing.
So if the universe had no beginning, then it always existed. That means that God and the universe share at least one attribute. I wonder if there is a limit or boundary to the universe? And if so, what is beyond the edge of the universe?
No, we have evidence that the universe exists.
Beyond the edge of the universe? We don't know.
"Don't know" is a better asnwer, as far as I'm concerned than, "We don't know, therefore god."
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:15 pm
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(June 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 1:17 pm)Irrational Wrote: No, that's not what I said. I don't consider an uncaused universe a supernatural thing.
So if the universe had no beginning, then it always existed. That means that God and the universe share at least one attribute. I wonder if there is a limit or boundary to the universe? And if so, what is beyond the edge of the universe?
Beyond the edge of the universe, well, what's beyond the edge of a tree? Atmosphere...and then? Other trees. What's beyond the edge of our planet? Space...and then? Other planets. What's beyond the edge of our galaxy? Space...and then? Other galaxies.
Coming to your question, what's beyond the edge of our universe? You give me the answer.
To help you, what's beyond the edge of an orgasm? A break. And beyond it? More orgasms. You see, everything in existence works the same. If you don't understand something big, look at something small. It works in the exact same way but you just can't calculate their properties the same, so no unified theory, but do you really need to? Why would a tree behave like a galaxy? It doesn't. Because a tree isn't a galaxy. So why would anyone try to apply the same equation for both. It is stupidity.
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm
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(June 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Irrational Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 9:01 pm)Lek Wrote: So if the universe had no beginning, then it always existed. That means that God and the universe share at least one attribute. I wonder if there is a limit or boundary to the universe? And if so, what is beyond the edge of the universe?
Well, I wonder if God (if he were to exist) must be limitless.
Either way, because the possibility of an ultimate uncaused universe has not yet been reasonably ruled out, then the necessity of God's existence is not reasonable. If you say that the existence of a creator is unreasonable, then you are saying that a universe with no beginning is the only reasonable explanation for the existence of the universe.
(June 4, 2014 at 9:15 pm)Ksa Wrote: Beyond the edge of the universe, well, what's beyond the edge of a tree? Atmosphere...and then? Other trees. What's beyond the edge of our planet? Space...and then? Other planets. What's beyond the edge of our galaxy? Space...and then? Other galaxies.
Coming to your question, what's beyond the edge of our universe? You give me the answer.
To help you, what's beyond the edge of an orgasm? A break. And beyond it? More orgasms. You see, everything in existence works the same. If you don't understand something big, look at something small. It works in the exact same way but you just can't calculate their properties the same, so no unified theory, but do you really need to? Why would a tree behave like a galaxy? It doesn't. Because a tree isn't a galaxy. So why would anyone try to apply the same equation for both. It is stupidity. Sounds like you have no idea what's beyond the edge of the universe either. By the way, I think God is beyond the edge of the universe.
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:26 pm
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^ More universes. Grats on your 50 IQ. I suppose it's pointless to talk to you about the cosmological constant and how it is special in terms of odds.
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:30 pm
(June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm)Irrational Wrote: Well, I wonder if God (if he were to exist) must be limitless.
Either way, because the possibility of an ultimate uncaused universe has not yet been reasonably ruled out, then the necessity of God's existence is not reasonable. If you say that the existence of a creator is unreasonable, then you are saying that a universe with no beginning is the only reasonable explanation for the existence of the universe.
No, it only implies that the Creator postulation is not necessary as an explanation. If it's an unnecessary explanation, then what's so reasonable about it?
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:32 pm
(June 4, 2014 at 9:26 pm)Ksa Wrote: ^ More universes. Grats on your 50 IQ. I suppose it's pointless to talk to you about the cosmological constant and how it is special in terms of odds. You can talk about that stuff all you want, if that's what interests you, but it still doesn't show what is beyond the edge of the universe. If I ask you what is beyond the edge of this city, I don't want you to talk about cosmological constant.
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:32 pm
(June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote: Sounds like you have no idea what's beyond the edge of the universe either. By the way, I think God is beyond the edge of the universe.
Why should there be a God beyond the edge of the universe? And why should the ultimate universe have an edge to it?
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:33 pm
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(June 4, 2014 at 9:32 pm)Lek Wrote: (June 4, 2014 at 9:26 pm)Ksa Wrote: ^ More universes. Grats on your 50 IQ. I suppose it's pointless to talk to you about the cosmological constant and how it is special in terms of odds. You can talk about that stuff all you want, if that's what interests you, but it still doesn't show what is beyond the edge of the universe. If I ask you what is beyond the edge of this city, I don't want you to talk about cosmological constant.
Well, what does the Bible say? What's beyond the edge of the Universe?
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RE: New Athiest Needs Help
June 4, 2014 at 9:35 pm
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(June 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm)Lek Wrote: Sounds like you have no idea what's beyond the edge of the universe either. By the way, I think God is beyond the edge of the universe.
Well, to quote my mother, "Opinions are like assholes. Everyone has one."
Give us something more substantial than "I think."
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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