Solving Illegal Immigration: Labor Unions in Latin America!

[Zidneya]

Yeah…em

I don't mean to offend you but one question. How much exactly do you know about the syndicates in Latin America? Because your opinion it seems is purely an American one. Because well I don't think that your proposition is a viable one because of your lack of internal info of the Latin American syndicates.

For example: Are you aware of the internal mistreat of minors of the Sindicato de la Patrulla Fronteriza that guards the border?

[CristW]

Zidneya,

To answer your response: This is why I responded in an earlier post in the importance of the increase of Rule-of-Law along with the increase of Labor Unions. The problem in Latin America is the decrease of the Rule-of-Law along with increase of criminal gangs and criminal enterprises. I have addressed this issue before in a previous post where it is possible that Labor Unions could become corrupt and I gave a historical example. There is an economic issue which is tied with the Rule-of-Law.

[Zidneya]

To answer your response: This is why I responded in an earlier post in the importance of the increase of Rule-of-Law along with the increase of Labor Unions.The reason why I mentioned the The problem in Latin America is the decrease of the Rule-of-Law along with increase of criminal gangs and criminal enterprises. I have addressed this issue before in a previous post where it is possible that Labor Unions could become corrupt and I gave a historical example. There is an economic issue which is tied with the Rule-of-Law.

Okay since you didn't answered my questions with no intention of disrespect you I think I am gonna assume that
1) Your opinion is only an American one.
2)You don't have any idea why I mentioned the Sindicato de la Patrulla Fronteriza.
But how do you plan to increase the labor Unions in latin America? And let's just say that you get to increase them. What is your resolution with the already existing labor unions. Because everything you formulate has a big wall in the road. The corruption of the Labor Unions along with the political parties in Latin america, along with the inefficiency of both(I hope you understand that those are two separate topics). Because you mention the possibility of corruption of the Latin American labor unions but let's face it, that's not a possibility that's already a reality. And until you solve that the Rule-of-Law is only a dream. And also there is the issue of how the corruption is partly sponsored by private, American, secretariat, and political party capitals.

[CapnAwesome]

Yeah, so now we are kind of getting somewhere. What exactly is your plan to increase the rule of law in Mexico? I'm going to focus just on Mexico because that's where most of our illegal immigration comes from and because I think that grouping countries into Latin America just for simplicities sake doesn't make any sense to the point you are trying to make. So how do you increase the rule of law in Mexico? Even if we accepted your premise to start with (I personally think it's on shaky ground.) you have no how in your argument.

[CristW]

To: Capn and Zidneya,

Ceteris Paribus, the answer really is the increase of Labor Unions (Rather than 30%, it should be more). If anyone would observe the history of Mexico, this may be the best alternative for its citizens. It would take the increase of political consciousness and the only tool which could increase political activity, awareness and accountability is the increase of Labor Unions.

[Bibliofagus]

I'm all for people organizing themselves to get a better bargaining position, but I think labor unions are much too broadly organized. 'The' worker does not exist. Some are just starting their careers, some just have a few years before retirement. In a world that changes faster and faster, this creates problems.

In my country for example labor unions (provided businesses agree) can make a legally binding 'collective labor agreement'. These cover stuff like wages and working hours, but also education, right for compensation on day care and pensions. This is where the conflicting interests of workers emerge. Labor unions in my country - invariably - choose for the elderly worker. Right to education goes down, rights on day care and stuff as well. All because nothing may happen to the pensions. And it's worse. At least 10% of my own savings for my pension, flows directly into the pockets of retired people. I'm not allowed to change pensions, I'm not allowed to opt out. Nobody is. And I'm one of the lucky ones. Young people working for our government get cheated out of 20% of their savings. They also 'save' money to retire early, except that our unions agreed to stop the possibility as per 2018 or something, and these youngsters know this.

[Minimalist]

A reckless Arizona sheriff? And it's not Joe "Steaming Turd" Arpaio. What's this state coming to.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/16/cn...-children/

CNN anchor grills ‘reckless’ AZ sheriff for publishing bus route of refugee children

[CristW]

To answer your response: This is why I responded in an earlier post in the importance of the increase of Rule-of-Law along with the increase of Labor Unions.The reason why I mentioned the The problem in Latin America is the decrease of the Rule-of-Law along with increase of criminal gangs and criminal enterprises. I have addressed this issue before in a previous post where it is possible that Labor Unions could become corrupt and I gave a historical example. There is an economic issue which is tied with the Rule-of-Law.

Okay since you didn't answered my questions with no intention of disrespect you I think I am gonna assume that
1) Your opinion is only an American one.
2)You don't have any idea why I mentioned the Sindicato de la Patrulla Fronteriza.
But how do you plan to increase the labor Unions in latin America? And let's just say that you get to increase them. What is your resolution with the already existing labor unions. Because everything you formulate has a big wall in the road. The corruption of the Labor Unions along with the political parties in Latin america, along with the inefficiency of both(I hope you understand that those are two separate topics). Because you mention the possibility of corruption of the Latin American labor unions but let's face it, that's not a possibility that's already a reality. And until you solve that the Rule-of-Law is only a dream. And also there is the issue of how the corruption is partly sponsored by private, American, secretariat, and political party capitals.

No. This is not an American solution. Trade syndicates(early labor unions) existed in Europe long before the United States existed. Labor Unions is a universal phenomena. Despite the behavior of some labor unions, in Mexico, in does not destroy the argument of increasing labor unions within Mexico especially to increase labor unions in other Latin American nations like El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, and Nicaragua.

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I'm all for people organizing themselves to get a better bargaining position, but I think labor unions are much too broadly organized. 'The' worker does not exist. Some are just starting their careers, some just have a few years before retirement. In a world that changes faster and faster, this creates problems.

In my country for example labor unions (provided businesses agree) can make a legally binding 'collective labor agreement'. These cover stuff like wages and working hours, but also education, right for compensation on day care and pensions. This is where the conflicting interests of workers emerge. Labor unions in my country - invariably - choose for the elderly worker. Right to education goes down, rights on day care and stuff as well. All because nothing may happen to the pensions. And it's worse. At least 10% of my own savings for my pension, flows directly into the pockets of retired people. I'm not allowed to change pensions, I'm not allowed to opt out. Nobody is. And I'm one of the lucky ones. Young people working for our government get cheated out of 20% of their savings. They also 'save' money to retire early, except that our unions agreed to stop the possibility as per 2018 or something, and these youngsters know this.

Hello, these problems mentioned by you should be addressed within labor unions and the corporation entity in your country. Sweden and some other Scandanavian nations have labor unions as part of corporate governance.