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Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
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RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
(July 22, 2014 at 3:52 am)pocaracas Wrote: I've been absent from this thread, but I've been following it... everyone's advice has been on the mark of what I would give you, Holly...

But there's something that makes me want to scream inside when everyone advises you to get out of that country and, then, start living your life.
Yes, it is the soundest advice possible for an individual in your situation, I agree.
But... but that's not the way to make the society in your country (and those around it) to move forward.
There must be other people in there with the same problem as you... consider your friend A as an example.
My advice would be to try to seek the others out, perhaps there are already groups of similar-minded people and all you have to do is join in. Once these groups reach a certain critical mass, their ideas start spilling out into the society at large, more or less abruptly, depending on particular details which are next to impossible to predict.
I know this is promoting a sort of revolution, with all the hazards to your individual health that come with being one of the first, but let's face it: that place does need a revolution... something from the inside.

That said, now let's try to deal with your personal online safety. Jenny has advised you to use Tails. That's great when you use some computer that's not yours. But it can become mighty suspicious (on your parents side) if you use it on yours, as it probably looks different from your current OS. So, I propose you install TOR browser and follow their guidelines on usage of the browser. Use it for most of what you need to do online, as it will distract any snooping. You can still use your current browser for innocuous stuff, like facebook (avoid mentioning your belief status in there), youtube, wikipedia, etc... just remember to switch when you come here and other places you may find pertaining to your lack of belief.

Once on TOR, check this out: http://salsa4.salsalabs.com/o/50973/p/di..._KEY=10724.

Best of luck!

I like the sentiment behind what you're saying, but as long as there is a Wahhabi majority and public showing of dissent is banned (Article 8 of the Constitution), change will probably not happen without immense pressure from the West (not likely as they have us addicted to oil) or violent revolution. There are a small but growing number of cases now where atheists are being granted asylum on the basis of their atheism. OP, wait a few years until you're 18, see if that is the case for a country you like, and then make off for their embassy whenever you can. I don't know enough to call this "advice" per se but that's what I would do.
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#52
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Please, please, please don't come out.

Once you have got some money and of sufficient age, go to Turkey, from there go to Europe, and then to the US. I know very many who go about the migration that way. I know you may want to stand for truth and for who you are as a human being, but sometimes making a stand doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

Be mindful, be smart, be calculated. Come out only when there is no danger to your physical or mental well being or your life.

You're young, use this time to study, and once you are out of the country, become an advocate for your cause and raise awareness to the persecution. If you feel the time is right at an older age, then maybe you can gamble to get people on your side. But sadly, I don't think S.A. is ready for such a radical change.

Be safe, and happy trails to you.

(Be sure your government has no way to easily trace your computer history.)

Enjoy your youth, if you can stay alive as a Muslim, do it, until you can live freely as an agnostic-atheist.

With Concern,
Q1C
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#53
RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
(July 31, 2014 at 2:59 pm)Quantum1Connect Wrote: Please, please, please don't come out.

Once you have got some money and of sufficient age, go to Turkey, from there go to Europe, and then to the US. I know very many who go about the migration that way. I know you may want to stand for truth and for who you are as a human being, but sometimes making a stand doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.

Be mindful, be smart, be calculated. Come out only when there is no danger to your physical or mental well being or your life.

You're young, use this time to study, and once you are out of the country, become an advocate for your cause and raise awareness to the persecution. If you feel the time is right at an older age, then maybe you can gamble to get people on your side. But sadly, I don't think S.A. is ready for such a radical change.

Be safe, and happy trails to you.

(Be sure your government has no way to easily trace your computer history.)

Enjoy your youth, if you can stay alive as a Muslim, do it, until you can live freely as an agnostic-atheist.

With Concern,
Q1C


Yea.i guess i would never come out as most of you suggests to do it i get it now.say no no to atheism. problems are when a lie to others and sometimes they insult atheism and im not that person who shuts up when someone insults him,but for now i just have to shut my silly mouth...oooh its gonna be sometime of my life but "GOSH" i hope it would end.
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RE: Should i "come out of my closet" to my parents
Hey no worries. Just come over here and vent to us Big Grin

Now I hush my mouth a lot. I live in a Christian majority area, much different than where you are. I do it out of respect for others even when they are being disrespectful. I don't say, anything. Nothing needs said. They can make asses out of themselves all they want. They know they're doing it and the best part is--they'll go apologize to their god for it which I find quite hilarious.
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