Muslim Atheism

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I also like "stars" and how they appear just outside of Pluto's orbit. Also why the hell is Mercury just half a planet?

I also like how it's in the shape of a cross, you know, like it was made for children?

That's easy, the dark side of mercury was too cool to be on this horrid thing. Also to mention jupiter is apparently bigger then the sun. Who knew?

Well that explains everything. Now all we need is an explanation as to why space is apparently a gentle colour of blue and we can all revel in MA's concept of the solar system and the one star that exists in the rest of the universe.

[Muslim Atheism]

that's the smallest picture I could get with orbit and for showing simple idea that. . .

the point, there is "diversity", but there is "unity". . . and it does not mean "conformity", because there is "freedom".

The system of life made by Allah (one nation, oneness)
That on which He has created mankind (life is about unity in diversity. . one nation)
There is no changing Allah´s system (look around us, it is self evident. . no exemption)


(they all know about unity in diversity, this is the system of Allah. . one nation)

That is the true system of life (unity in diversity. . "mankind is one nation")
But most among mankind do not understand

What do you get by becoming a sectarian ?

It makes you happy ?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

[Muslim Atheism]

What does it mean? It makes you crazy ?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I thought it was in a language you understood? Regardless, I'll let you figure out the hidden meaning. It'll blow your mind I promise you that.

[Muslim Atheism]

[vodkafan]

It is your opinion, and of course. . . without even studying the content of the Book or counter it with valid logical premises from the Book itself. . . It is quite easy for anyone to make such claims and carries no weight.

It is irrelevant and fallacy. . The truth must be relevant to the argument itself. .

Can you prove it through verses from the Quran ?

Do you have any ?

Likewise, your quran also carries no weight.
Nor your religious observation of fasting.
Why would I seek to prove anything by verses from the quran ? It proves nothing and is relevant to nothing. The source material for the quran is the Hebrew Old Testament, which I also reject as a storybook.

As other posters have observed, you reject everyone else's life experiences as irrelevant and yet consider your own to be true and profound.

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The system of life made by Allah (one nation, oneness)
That on which He has created mankind (life is about unity in diversity. . one nation)
There is no changing Allah´s system (look around us, it is self evident. . no exemption)


(they all know about unity in diversity, this is the system of Allah. . one nation)

That is the true system of life (unity in diversity. . "mankind is one nation")
But most among mankind do not understand

You keep coming back saying that allah created everything...and yet you have stated that allah does not exist, that there are no gods...you can't have it both ways, do you believe in allah or not? Yes or no?

[Muslim Atheism]

Likewise, your quran also carries no weight.

Huh? We are discussing about the ideology in the Quran, the Constitution. .
Of course it is highly relevant and carries weight to this thread.

. . .

Nor your religious observation of fasting.

Fasting is not from the Quran . . there is no fasting.

. . .

Why would I seek to prove anything by verses from the quran ? It proves nothing and is relevant to nothing.

Because this thread is about Muslim Atheism. .
Muslim are those who follow the Quran. (refer here and here)

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As other posters have observed, you reject everyone else's life experiences as irrelevant and yet consider your own to be true and profound.

What their life experiences got to do with premises from the Quran ?

. . .

You keep coming back saying that allah created everything...and yet you have stated that allah does not exist, that there are no gods...you can't have it both ways, do you believe in allah or not? Yes or no?

Allah is Oneness, Absolute and no boundary . . . how can I disbelieve in that ?

What I disbelieve is the idea that associated with Allah
no one knows. . .none is equal to Allah, matter, idea and concept
the difference between Allah that people imagined, and Allah that truly exists. . .

and Allah only exists when I have "No God"
but the problem is "I am God". . . therefore, there is "No Allah"
Unless and until I have "No God", there is "No Allah". . . .

Premise 1: No god (0)

Desire
Product of Conventional Theism and Atheism
(The Animal Mind, Phenomenal Self, Egoic Consciousness)
(e.g. people got angry when they are hurt, or hungry. . and even kill others etc)
↓
Conscious Mind
(The Intellectual Mind, Scientist)
↓
↓
↓
Subconscious Mind
(Enlightenment)
(not yet reached the "Heart" because no "Oneness" with life as a whole)
(ie. both good and evil as "One". . therefore, no balance, only "goodness" and it is not "life/reality")
↓
↓
+---------------------------------------------+---------------------------------------------+
↓
↓
Heart
Oneness
Good and Evil as One
↓
Soul
No God
Reality

(by the way, that's what the Quran says)

[Fidel_Castronaut]

I think my animated Nic Cage gif is more enlightening if i'm honest.

[Muslim Atheism]

Mankind is one nation

The Quran says that mankind are the descendants of Adam.

• And when your Lord
  took from the children of Adam (one nation)
  from their loins
  their descendants (no religion)
  • and made them testify of themselves
    [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?"
    They said, "Yes, we have testified." (the Covenant)
    [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
    "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
    (7:172)

. . .
That is the origin of mankind from the Quran , as one nation. . .
and the main theme of the Quran and the test for human beings is to live in peace as one nation;
as children of Adam, regardless of their religions.

• Mankind was one Ummah/Nation (2.213)

. . .
The Quran says Allah gave signs about unity in diversity in all His creations,
gave mankind Books of guidance that corroborates with nature and made them into sects and religions,
so that they can learn about "balance" (wisdom) and strive to be one nation.
So that people can progress and become leaders, the Caliph. . the successor on Earth,
ie. who can accept ALL religions and ALL Gods with open heart, and no "sectarianism".

• And your Lord said to the angels:
  "I am placing a successor on the earth."
  (2.30)
  
  God promises those among you who believe and do good works,
  that He will make them successors on the earth,
  as He made successors of those before them, (real successor, to all)
  and He will enable for them their system
  which He has approved for them,
  and He will substitute security for them in place of fear:
  "That they serve Me, not setting up anything with Me."
  And as for those who reject after that, these are the wicked.
  (24.55)
  
  [We said], "O David, indeed We have made you a successor upon the earth,
  so judge between the people in truth and do not follow [your own] desire, (ie. I am God)
  as it will lead you astray from the way of Allah ."
  Indeed, those who go astray from the way of Allah
  will have a severe punishment for having forgotten the Day of Account.
  38.26

. . .

and that's why Allah makes and divide people into sects, ie. religion etc. . .

• So, the devil caused them to slip from it,
  and he brought them out from what they were in, and We said:
  • "Descend; for you are enemies to one another;
    and on the earth you will have residence and provisions
    until the appointed time."
  Adam then received words from His Lord, so He forgave him;
  He is the Forgiver, the Merciful. We said:
  • "Descend from it all of you,
    so when the guidance comes from Me,
    then whoever follows My guidance,
    they will have nothing to fear,
    nor will they grieve."
  2:37-39

• Say: He has the power
  that He should send on you a chastisement from above you
  or from beneath your feet, or that
  He should throw you into confusion,
  (making you) of different religion (شِيَعًا)
  and make some of you taste the fighting of others
  See how We repeat the communications
  that they may understand (their mission is unity in diversity)
  6.65

• And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth,
  authenticating what is between your hands of the Book
  and superseding it.
  So judge between them by what God has sent down,
  and do not follow their desires
  from what has come to you of the truth.
  
  For each of you We have made laws, and a structure;
  • and if God had willed, He would have made you all one nation,
    but He tests you with what He has given you;
    so strive to do good (unity). To God you will return all of you,
    and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute.
  5:48

. . .
While people are free to adhere to their religions,
they should comply with the ethics for unity in diversity.
These rules were made for mankind to live in peace and as one nation, regardless of their religions.

• This is because God has sent down the Book with the truth;
  and those who have disputed about the Book
  are in open schism (شِقَاقٍ). (definition of sectarianism)
  2.176

. . .
Those who dispute the practical code of ethics contravene the overall systems of nature, unity in diversity. . .the Contraveners

• And if your Lord had wished
  He could have made all the people one nation
  but they still would have continued to disagree (through sectarianism).
  11:118
  
  And if God had wished, He would have made you one nation,
  but He misguides whom He wishes,
  and He guides whom He wishes.
  And you will be asked about what you used to do.
  16:93
  
  And if God had willed, He could have made them one nation.
  But He admits whom He wills into His mercy.
  And the transgressors will have neither an ally, nor helper.
  42:8

. . .
Therefore, mankind is one nation . .
there should be no sectarianism and people should live in peace as one nation.
This is the main purpose of life, to live as one family.