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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 1:20 pm
The few deists I know seem to be aware that their belief is mostly based on intuition and thin arguments like the designed or fine-tuned universe. They reject the idea of a hands-on god who demands the attention of the infinitesimally tiny beings that exist in an infinitesimally tiny corner of the universes it has presumably created.
(August 6, 2014 at 11:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: I'd call that dereliction of duty. "Maybe if I hide in this metaphysical closet, they won't blame me for doing such a shitty job."
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 1:43 pm
Deists and Buddhists are both like a spiritual Switzerland. Always in the middle, not making waves, pretty much on the sidelines.
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Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 2:08 pm
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(August 6, 2014 at 11:49 am)Rhythm Wrote: I'd call that dereliction of duty.
 And I'd agree with you.
But that was not the point. To me the similarity is striking. Just a god who created and stopped intervening at some point. So I wonder how common this view of god was in history.
Did it arise anywhere else?
I tried finding information on deistic ideas forming in other cultures, but couldn't find any. So I suspect the deistic god is in a way biblegod stripped down all the way to next to nothing. I'm no expert though.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 2:42 pm
I can't say either way. My experience with deists has been very... umm ...limited.
Now Creationists and radical Muslims on the other hand are a different story. They are the genuine article of initiators of inconvenience and champions of chagrin.
They can go f**k off back to their caves.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 3:04 pm
(August 6, 2014 at 12:36 pm)Minimalist Wrote: I far prefer deists to jesus or allah freaks. Those scumbuckets are dangerous.
I agree completely, deists are harmless, but they are more annoying than I thought, I even saw a thread of deists saying atheism is devolving into a cult because we are now more intolerant than religious freaks.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Well, you might have to account for said deists carrying around theistic baggage from their upbringing and peers. This is obviously anecdotal, but the deists I've known tend to interpret their deism (and others objections to it) from precisely the same point as whatever sort of theism is/was predominate in their experience. Borrowed ladders, if you will. Not just deist, of course, conversions from one theistic faith to another seem to carry recognizable baggage, and many atheists I know carry baggage from the faiths they abandoned as well.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 3:13 pm
What is AFAIK? Everyone keeps saying that.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 3:16 pm
As Far As I Know (or Kneel, if you're posting in A69).
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 3:29 pm
(August 6, 2014 at 3:09 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well, you might have to account for said deists carrying around theistic baggage from their upbringing and peers. This is obviously anecdotal, but the deists I've known tend to interpret their deism (and others objections to it) from precisely the same point as whatever sort of theism is/was predominate in their experience. Borrowed ladders, if you will. Not just deist, of course, conversions from one theistic faith to another seem to carry recognizable baggage, and many atheists I know carry baggage from the faiths they abandoned as well.
I find it curious that I've met some deists on the internet who have a different background, they were atheists once, sometimes for 5 to 10 years, and they use the argument of 'I was an atheist once' as an excuse to justify deism being full of light and hope, it pisses me off.
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RE: Why are deists so annoying?
August 6, 2014 at 3:38 pm
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