Happy people are better and superior

[Jenny A]

I am having something far worse than depression in which I feel completely numb all the time 24/7 and can't experience any degree of pleasure whatsoever no matter what I do or how I think. This severe chronic anhedonia is something that remains there all the time everyday and is not getting better despite practically every type of medication, therapy, etc. and I'm not even sure it will get better and if there might be a strong possibility that it will never get better.

I'm not sure this is really worse than depression. It just is depression. I've been there, and I came out the other side. Living is like watching a dull movie of someone else's life. But, chances are high it will get better and it will hurt when it does, which will be better than just being numb.

This is how I feel about it and how much I value pleasure. What I'm about to say here is something you do not need to apply to yourself--this is just how I personally feel about myself and such:

Being alive is superior to being dead as long as you have pleasure. Therefore, since pleasure is emotional life, that makes it superior to being numb (emotionally dead) in which you have nothing more than mere thoughts and duty in life. Pleasure is the absolute and defining life force of "living" and a living thing that defines you as a living person and is what makes you a better and superior person because anyone would know just how good of a experience pleasure is and how much it makes life worth living and is the only thing to me that makes life worth living.

Pleasure is what keeps us going. You will have it again. Hang on.

So even if you were a psychopath and killed many people, as long as you have all the pleasure in the world, that would make you a far better and superior person than if you were someone who is depressed and emotionally numb and helped and cared for other people.

No, it would only make you a psychopath. They have no empathy. It is really empathy that makes superior people. You don't have that right now either, but you will again.

As for happy selfish people in life who think they are better than everyone else, their happiness is what makes them better than everyone else regardless of how selfish and cruel they are. Their happiness is what makes them better than people with no happiness since, as I just stated before, pleasure is the absolute defining life force of a human being and is the only thing that makes your life worth living and allows you to make the best of your life. This also goes for what I'm about to say below which is that regardless of who you are and such and regardless of how much you help others, you would still be nothing but an inferior biological functioning machine without pleasure which is what makes people who have all the pleasure in the world better and superior regardless of how cruel and such these people are.

No again. Empathy makes happy functioning people. Happiness without empathy leads to self destruction.

Happy people are also better and superior since they at least get to die happy (and perhaps with even more happiness having the delusional belief in a God and an afterlife of eternal joy). But people who suffer with severe depression or anhedonia are inferior since they will likely die hopeless (and perhaps with even more hopelessness being atheists who don't believe in a God or an afterlife of eternal joy).

Not inferior since the do not at least harm others.

Another convincing argument for the radical reasoning I just made above is that thoughts and such without pleasure are nothing more than any other part of the brain for biological functions (such as parts of the brain responsible for movement, breathing, etc.). But pleasure is your emotional well-being here and is the only thing that makes your life worth living and is the only thing that allows you to make the best of your life. So this is why I come to the conclusion that living your life through pleasure (even if you were a psychopath) would be the only best thing here in this situation as opposed to living your life feeling numb and depressed and helping others being nothing more than mere biological functions (thoughts and actions). It would be better for you as a person because you would, again, be nothing more than mere biological functioning without pleasure regardless of how much you chose to help others and regardless of how much these helped individuals look up to you and admire you. They would have a pleasurable sense of high value and worth towards you, but you will not even be allowed to have a pleasurable sense of value and worth towards yourself in helping others and in them admiring and looking up to you.

Lack of self value is not lack of value.

But, however, it would be better for other people if you chose not to be the psychopath and instead chose to be numb and depressed and help other people. So even if you did choose to become the lesser (nothing) person with nothing more than mere biological functions, you would be able to help other people suffering which is obviously a great thing.

Yes. It would be a great thing.

As for trying to make the best of your life and helping others and such having no pleasure (being nothing more than biological functioning), I would unfortunately have to say good luck on that. You will soon find that you are nothing as a person without pleasure regardless of how much you help others, regardless of who you are as a person and what your attitude is in life, and no matter what you do in life. You would find that life is completely worthless. As a result, you would then go to drastic measures to try and get your pleasure back such as electric convulsive therapy and wishing that you would rather be in a hospital bed with cancer and many other horrible things to happen to you at the same time--as long as it meant having your pleasure back.

I can't say anything useful here except hang on.

Also, as for people who give such "advice" such as: " I am 53 and have never had pleasure in my life, I am used to it," this is not the type of advice I need as I am an emotionally sensitive human being and not some robot who would be fine living a life without pleasure. Robots are fine living a life without pleasure because that's what they are--emotionally insensitive functioning machines. But I, on the other hand, am an emotionally sensitive human being who is not fine living a life without pleasure and will never be fine with such a thing because, again, I am a sensitive human being and will forever remain a sensitive human being.

Again. Hang on.

In a way, people who give such "advice" are robots themselves because if they were truly a caring sensitive human being and truly cared for my emotional well-being (pleasure), they would instead offer me hope and comfort that I will once again experience pleasure instead of simply just giving the cold insensitive message of just getting used to it or that "Many people have problems that they have to deal with, so just deal and live with it."

You will have pleasure again. Hang on.

To me, this is not just some personal opinion--it is a fact. No matter who you are and no matter what you do in life, that does not change the fact that you are nothing more than biological functioning if you did choose to become the depressed and numb person and help others. If I learned anything from this suffering, I have learned that without pleasure, you (including myself) are nothing and nothing more than biological functioning.

But you have the potential for more. Hang on.

As for me being a sensitive human being, I am sensitive in the sense that I just wish to have my pleasure back, but I am a harsh and strict believer when it comes to hedonism.

Temperance in all things.

Although you can consider me a sensitive human being when it comes to wanting to just have my pleasure back, you can consider me a sort of "drill instructor" when it comes to just how important pleasure is and that without it, you are nothing (nothing more than a maggot as a drill instructor would say regardless of who you are as a person and such if you were in the military). I guess, maybe, you can consider my arguments as a sort of encouragement to regain your ability to experience pleasure in life and to encourage you just how important pleasure (your emotional well-being) is. But if you can't regain your ability to experience pleasure (which is something I am thinking might happen to me), then you will forever be an inferior human being regardless of how much you did your best in life and such since, again, you would be nothing more than biological functions and that there is nothing in life (including making the best of your life and helping others) that will ever change that.

You cannot force the pleasure back, but it will come back. Just hang on.

My arguments are also geared towards an audience who think that pleasure is not that important and that there are more important things in life that define your value as a human being. Again, I do not believe that there are such things because you would, again, still be nothing more than biological functioning without pleasure.

Just hang on, it will come back.

If I were to talk to someone about my inability to experience pleasure and this person were to just simply have little or no value towards my pleasure (emotional well-being) by saying something such as that life is not about pleasure and that there are more important things in life greater than your pleasure, these are opinions that I would absolutely hate which is another reason I have presented my arguments here for pleasure in the event that there are such people so I can at least try to convince them otherwise.

Just hang on.

[Mozart Link]

To say that this will get better and that I will experience pleasure again is delusional. But to also say that this will never get better is delusional as well. The real truth is that we don't know if it will ever get better.

[Violet]

Could someone, for example, quote every paragraph I made and argue your own personal views against them?

I would, but you'd just ignore it again. What's in it for me? You've posted the same general thread 4 times, and still managed to say nothing new.

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To say that this will get better and that I will experience pleasure again is delusional. But to also say that this will never get better is delusional as well. The real truth is that we don't know if it will ever get better.

You don't, I do. It gets better if you're lucky (and usually that means you work to make it better), and it doesn't ever get better if you just go through the motions.

Could it get worse? Oh hell yes... could you make it worse? Without question.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Oh, I almost forgot, buddy: hookers and blow.

[Mozart Link]

Could someone, for example, quote every paragraph I made and argue your own personal views against them?

I would, but you'd just ignore it again. What's in it for me? You've posted the same general thread 4 times, and still managed to say nothing new.

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To say that this will get better and that I will experience pleasure again is delusional. But to also say that this will never get better is delusional as well. The real truth is that we don't know if it will ever get better.

You don't, I do. It gets better if you're lucky (and usually that means you work to make it better), and it doesn't ever get better if you just go through the motions.

Could it get worse? Oh hell yes... could you make it worse? Without question.

I wouldn't ignore it--I would try to argue against your points as well until an absolute conclusion is made as to whether I am right about everything I'm saying here or that I am wrong. I've posted the same things with different variations because I felt that my point was muffled and didn't get across. But this topic I made now I definitely feel gets my point across.

[Violet]

I wouldn't ignore it--I would try to argue against your points as well until an absolute conclusion is made as to whether I am right about everything I'm saying here or that I am wrong.

An absolute conclusion? Sounds like a fantasy to me, but then... I've not the faith.

I've posted the same things with different variations because I felt that my point was muffled and didn't get across. But this topic I made now I definitely feel gets my point across.

Future reference... work on that first draft hard, then read it back to you, and argue amongst yourself until you're satisfied enough for it to be a final draft. Then unload it.

I've only eyeballed them since the first. I'll get back to it later (so much work.... ugh).

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Oh, I almost forgot, buddy: hookers and blow.

You play any online video games, Thumpy?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I wouldn't ignore it--I would try to argue against your points as well until an absolute conclusion is made as to whether I am right about everything I'm saying here or that I am wrong. I've posted the same things with different variations because I felt that my point was muffled and didn't get across. But this topic I made now I definitely feel gets my point across.

ALL of your threads are inferior. Rewrite and resubmit.

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Oh, I almost forgot, buddy: hookers and blow.

You play any online video games, Thumpy?

No ma'am, I don't ... I got this tagline from a buddy on the musician's forum, and thought it fit well MoroseArtLink.

[Jenny A]

To say that this will get better and that I will experience pleasure again is delusional. But to also say that this will never get better is delusional as well. The real truth is that we don't know if it will ever get better.

But if you treat yourself as never being capable of pleasure again, you will give up and you never will be capable of pleasure again. Obviously, the only rational thing to do is act of the assumption that you will be capable of pleasure again.

[LostLocke]

Dear God not another one!!....



Stahp bro, please.

[Whateverist]

To say that this will get better and that I will experience pleasure again is delusional. But to also say that this will never get better is delusional as well. The real truth is that we don't know if it will ever get better.

On the other hand, I'll bet that every single one of us who ever has been depressed felt at the time like it would never end and was almost unbearable. Most of us are now on the other side. I do wonder if your mind is right for the transition. But hell, drugs being what they are today, maybe they can resurrect you against your will?

[Hint: "Thank you Jenny for taking the time to read my tl diatribe. You are a saint for doing it. I didn't deserve it but you did it anyway. Thanks a lot"].