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RE: Homeopathy for ebola
August 17, 2014 at 7:38 am
The placebo effect is a real effect so can be used to treat no serious illnesses to some extent.
Apparently it still works if you know its a placebo.
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RE: Homeopathy for ebola
August 17, 2014 at 7:54 am
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(August 17, 2014 at 7:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The placebo effect is a real effect so can be used to treat some serious illnesses to some extent.
Apparently it still works if you know its a placebo.
Fixed it for you.
Placebo can certainly achieve measurable physiological changes in SOME conditions. Stomach ulcers for eg.
How do we know? because we tested it.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2014313/
The issue is that placebos working for SOME conditions does not mean it works for all, or that a real medicine (which also contains the placebo effect would not work better. And irresponsible CAMers have no respect for the distinction.
And of course, sometimes placebos can be a downright dangerous choice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12974558
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RE: Homeopathy for ebola
August 17, 2014 at 8:03 am
(August 17, 2014 at 7:54 am)Jacob(smooth) Wrote: (August 17, 2014 at 7:38 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: The placebo effect is a real effect so can be used to treat some serious illnesses to some extent.
Apparently it still works if you know its a placebo.
Fixed it for you.
Placebo can certainly achieve measurable physiological changes in SOME conditions. Stomach ulcers for eg.
How do we know? because we tested it. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2014313/
The issue is that placebos working for SOME conditions does not mean it works for all, or that a real medicine (which also contains the placebo effect would not work better. And irresponsible CAMers have no respect for the distinction.
And of course, sometimes placebos can be a downright dangerous choice.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12974558
Do placebos help if used in conjunction with efficacious drugs?
If someone takes a sugar pill and a Paracetamol will the headache get better faster than with the medicine alone?
Also I can see a role for placebos if, for example they are taking a drug for a real disease but pain medication would interact with it. A sugar pill would help with the pain and not harm the patient. Even if its all in the mind, the effect is real.
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RE: Homeopathy for ebola
August 17, 2014 at 8:07 am
I've hated placebos ever since that time I was addicted to them.
Homeopathy does work however.
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Similar cure for diarrhoea.