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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 1:55 pm
(August 20, 2014 at 1:53 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (August 20, 2014 at 1:33 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: Wrong.
It is Hitchens-u akbar.
the u at the end is a transitional vowel that signifies the word "is" in English. So to say "Hitchens is greater" you must say "Hitchens-u Akbar".
Sorry I just nit pick on details like this.
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Well now you know that I did not study Arabic at all. ![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
(August 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yeah, I understand there can be good reasons why everyone doesn't post videos daily, and since I'm a donor I have no room to complain. Still, when you like something you want it all the time.
Wait, you can donate to him?! Where can I do that?
Beautiful language, highly recommend you to learn even a little and learn about Arabic poetry. Imru' al-Qais is my favorite Arabian poet.
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 1:58 pm
Some youtubers can be donated to. Maybe he can't maybe not. I was just saying I get his stuff without giving back, so I can't complain if he doesn't post videos more often.
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 3:11 pm
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(August 20, 2014 at 1:55 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: (August 20, 2014 at 1:53 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Well now you know that I did not study Arabic at all. ![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Wait, you can donate to him?! Where can I do that?
Beautiful language, highly recommend you to learn even a little and learn about Arabic poetry. Imru' al-Qais is my favorite Arabian poet.
Main reason I am a Baalist is because of his work
What's a Baalist? And yeah, maybe I'll try...I don't have a good ear for languages though.
(August 20, 2014 at 1:58 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Some youtubers can be donated to. Maybe he can't maybe not. I was just saying I get his stuff without giving back, so I can't complain if he doesn't post videos more often.
Oh, I see. I think he should definitely have a merch store at some point!
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 4:27 pm
(August 20, 2014 at 3:11 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: What's a Baalist? And yeah, maybe I'll try...I don't have a good ear for languages though. ![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
A Baalist is somebody who affiliates themselves with Baal. Baal is a title meaning Lord/Master and has been given to gods, kings and even used as an alternative for husband.
I just so happen to worship the almighty Baal, Rabb of the World.
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August 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm
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Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 10:06 pm
(August 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Ahhhh- THAT Baal. I thought it was another Islamic word for some reason. ![ROFLOL ROFLOL](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/roflol.gif)
I appreciate them alright, I just suck at understanding. ![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Baal is a non original Arabic word though and it is mentioned int he Qur'an. The Arabic/Islamic equivalent is Rabb though. This is where you get the word Rabbi in Hebrew from.
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm
(August 20, 2014 at 10:06 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: (August 20, 2014 at 6:06 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: Ahhhh- THAT Baal. I thought it was another Islamic word for some reason. ![ROFLOL ROFLOL](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/roflol.gif)
I appreciate them alright, I just suck at understanding. ![Tongue Tongue](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
Baal is a non original Arabic word though and it is mentioned int he Qur'an. The Arabic/Islamic equivalent is Rabb though. This is where you get the word Rabbi in Hebrew from.
Wait...what? Rabbi comes from Baal? Sorry I'm that bad with understanding. XD
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 20, 2014 at 10:51 pm
(August 20, 2014 at 10:41 pm)StealthySkeptic Wrote: (August 20, 2014 at 10:06 pm)PhiloTech Wrote: Baal is a non original Arabic word though and it is mentioned int he Qur'an. The Arabic/Islamic equivalent is Rabb though. This is where you get the word Rabbi in Hebrew from.
Wait...what? Rabbi comes from Baal? Sorry I'm that bad with understanding. XD
The order is Baal then Rabb then Rabbi. I may be getting the order wrong but Baal predates Rabb and Rabbi, that much is for sure.
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 24, 2014 at 12:46 am
(August 20, 2014 at 11:16 am)StealthySkeptic Wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0A_iF1B3k0
I found this great gem as well, by my favorite YouTuber.
Kudos on the stereotypes, they were pretty spot on. The Baptist was more of a Southern Baptist but other than that pretty funny mockery. Honorable mention to the guy going to hell for 'cutting me off in traffic', the 'say what' response to the scientologist as a segway to the Pentecostal speaking in tongues, and 'put the fighter jet down'. Funny stuff.
Three lines of thought. The first is at 0:44 when the theist says, "We can't all be wrong." This is a fallacious argument and if atheists think this is an accurate representation, then they are either not very well read or intending to set up a straw man. At 3:56 the atheist responds to this assertion. The atheist asserts that God's message should be clear. This assertion implies that because there is no such clarity, God does not exist. This argument is akin to the theist claiming 'we can't all be wrong'. Both are equally fallacious.
Secondly at 2:40 the atheist asserts that each theist's beliefs were shaped precisely by the culture in which he/she was raised. He contradicts his own argument by saying there are exceptions. But for the sake of argument let's accept that the theist only believes what he/she does because of the culture in which he/she was raised. I'll quote, slightly modified: "Suppose we concede that if I had been born of Muslim parents in Morocco rather than Christian parents in Michigan, my beliefs would have been quite different. But the same goes for the atheist...If the atheist had been born in Morocco he probably wouldn't be an atheist. Does it follow that.... his atheist beliefs are produced in him by an unreliable belief-producing process?" If the criteria for determining our beliefs is dependent upon the culture we were raised in, then the theist and the atheist have both come to their conclusions by the cultures they were raised in. The atheist has no better reason with which to make his/her assertion than the theist does. Both beliefs are pre-determined.
Thirdly, at 3:12 the atheist makes the assertion that 'the truth' does not behave the way religion does (generally remaining within cultural borders). He says that 2+2=4 everywhere as an example of a universal truth claim. Three lines of thought here. First, I think the atheist has drawn a false analogy. Certainly 2+2=4 in every country. It is equally true that the words written on the pages of the Bible do not change because the book crosses cultural boundaries. The problem isn't with the universal truth claim, it is with the interpreter. Secondly, given that:
1. Numbers are universal.
2. Numbers are abstractions.
3. Abstractions exist only within a mind.
Therefore a universal mind exists.
To what universal mind is the atheist appealing to in order to make the truth claim that 2+2=4?
Lastly, at 3:56 the atheist asserts that God's message should not be left to be spread by corruptible and fallible men. The entire message of the atheist, including the message that 2+2=4, is delivered by a corruptible and fallible man. This argument is self refuting.
To respond to question before the pause at 4:22. The initially created being did have it right in the beginning. But sin entered the world, and having been given entry, changed man to be corruptible and fallible.
So why doesn't God correct everyone's mistakes and set the record straight? It's a fair question. I can speculate, but ultimately I don't know. But certainly our mistakes and/or perceived divisions wouldn't be proof of His nonexistence. If you really need an answer, I would suggest asking Him.
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...
August 24, 2014 at 8:02 am
If we could simply ask him, the religious wouldn't be so divided. That's what Darkmatter is getting at. Jews, christians, and muslims all worship the same god, yet they can't come to a consensus on who is on the correct path. If my dad says something individually to my mother, my sister, and I, we might disagree with exactly what he said, but we can simply go back to him and straighten it out. We don't have to start beating each other up over what he said.
We can't simply ask god for answers, otherwise we would have already gotten it. If he hasn't straightened things out by now he either doesn't exist, doesn't care, or is unable to do anything about it.
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