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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:14 pm
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The whole idea behind this biblical story is to fortell Jesus' death on the cross. Hence the fact that only a blood sacrafice will save you from your sins. This is why Abel found God's favour and not Cain. Also Cain was punished for his sin through separation from God and other humans " You will be a restless wanderer on the earth" Genisis 4 12. This is a christian point of view.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:16 pm
You think that the authors of an OT story had some "jesus" in mind?
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You think that the authors of an OT story had some "jesus" in mind? Yes, I do there are many acurrate foretellings of Jesus' life such asthe manner of his death. As it was fortold he would die between thevies, be born of a virgin, he would rise from the dead and he would be betrayed by friends. There are a lot more
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:14 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: The whole idea behind this biblical story is to fortell Jesus' death on the cross. Hence the fact that only a blood sacrafice will save you from your sins. This is why Abel found God's favour and not Cain. Also Cain was punished for his sin through separation from God and other humans " You will be a restless wanderer on the earth" Genisis 4 12.
Despite not mentioning the messiah anywhere in the passage.
@Huggy; if Cain is not Adam's son, then neither is Seth, since the same language is used to describe the conception of both of them.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:23 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You think that the authors of an OT story had some "jesus" in mind?
Yes...
Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
This is from the Old Testament.
Why is God talking about being pierced? hmm.
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:24 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: There are many acurrate foretellings of Jesus' life such asthe manner of his death. As it was fortold he would die between thevies, be born of a virgin, he would rise from the dead and he would be betrayed by friends. There are a lot more Hmn, and yet the poeple who took these OT stories as gospel missed that. Makes a man wonder. Let me offer a different scenario for your consideration. The stories have nothing to do with jesus because there was no such thing when they were written.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:25 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:16 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You think that the authors of an OT story had some "jesus" in mind? Yes, I do there are many acurrate foretellings of Jesus' life such asthe manner of his death. As it was fortold he would die between thevies, be born of a virgin, he would rise from the dead and he would be betrayed by friends. There are a lot more
It was also foretold that he'd save the Jews from the Assyrians, but that didn't happen. Care to cherrypick anymore?
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:26 pm
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I seem to recall an angel smiting a king being part of that. Fucker went and died before the angel got around to smiting him. Even god catches a break, sometimes, I suppose (crucial break though, since his smiter has apparently gone on the fritz for some time now).
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Tobie Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:14 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: The whole idea behind this biblical story is to fortell Jesus' death on the cross. Hence the fact that only a blood sacrafice will save you from your sins. This is why Abel found God's favour and not Cain. Also Cain was punished for his sin through separation from God and other humans " You will be a restless wanderer on the earth" Genisis 4 12.
Despite not mentioning the messiah anywhere in the passage.
@Huggy; if Cain is not Adam's son, then neither is Seth, since the same language is used to describe the conception of both of them. It is a recurring theme throught the Bible that only blood shed can pay for sin and Jesus' death is the ultimate sacrafice the Bible is leading up to. Jesus' death paid for are sin and that is why christians do not sacrafice animals, we just look to the cross. "For God so loved the world he gave his one and only Son that who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have ever lasting life" John 3 16
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RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm
(September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Tobie Wrote: (September 4, 2014 at 3:14 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: The whole idea behind this biblical story is to fortell Jesus' death on the cross. Hence the fact that only a blood sacrafice will save you from your sins. This is why Abel found God's favour and not Cain. Also Cain was punished for his sin through separation from God and other humans " You will be a restless wanderer on the earth" Genisis 4 12.
Despite not mentioning the messiah anywhere in the passage.
@Huggy; if Cain is not Adam's son, then neither is Seth, since the same language is used to describe the conception of both of them.
It's very simple, if Cain was Adams son, he would be included in Adam's genealogy. Seth IS recorded in the genealogy.
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