Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

[FreeTony]

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who believes a story involving a talking snake is not worth trying to reason with.

Best leave it to the shrinks.

[RobbyPants]

In short woma/Eve was deceived when the serpent told her if she ate of the fruit she would not die. She ate, and noted she did not die. So she took this information and taught/imparted it to Adam. For this, transgression women are not to teach, in Paul's message to Timothy.

Paul didn't write 1 or 2 Timothy

[Thumpalumpacus]

Tradition and a guilt producing technique to keep the sheep with their hand in their open wallets.

Indeed, that was the point of my question.

[Greatest I am]

Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

And if Eve was deceived, why punish her at all?

I think it's curious that god, who apparently had direct contact with Adam and Eve for an untold amount of time, made such a poor impression on them that they did not hesitate to act contrary to his wishes. Eve doesn't question the serpent when it calls god a liar, she immediately sees the fruit of the tree in a whole new light. There is nothing that says that Adam hesitated when Eve brought him the fruit; he just went ahead and ate.

Disobeying god apparently didn't faze them. Putting aside the idea of how the fruit might have "opened their eyes" we still have the question of how a being as supposedly perfect and wonderful as god made so little impression on them that all it took to get them to flip him off was a talking snake.

Yes. If impartial minds were looking at how Genesis and Eden have been twisted out of shape by Christianity to push their male dominated female repressing desires on society, without equality, it is quite easy to see that the Jewish take that Christianity reversed, from our elevation to our fall, was way superior to what Christianity has done.

http://www.mrrena.com/misc/judaism2.php

"Instead of the Fall of man (in the sense of humanity as a whole), Judaism preaches the Rise of man: and instead of Original Sin, it stresses Original Virtue [see * below], the beneficent hereditary influence of righteous ancestors upon their descendants."

Regards
DL

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As far as I'm concerned, anyone who believes a story involving a talking snake is not worth trying to reason with.

Best leave it to the shrinks.

Yet if we do not, the inequality that they deny women will continue.

For evil to grow, all better minds need do is nothing.

We all owe women more than nothing. If things are to improve then those like you must try to correct foolish and immoral thinking.

Regards
DL

[*Deidre*]

Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.

Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?

Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?

What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?

Regards
DL

Because god has a dick?

What do I win?

[Crossless2.0]

Because god has a dick?

What do I win?

The pains of childbirth, subjugation to men, and enmity with the descendants of a talking snake. You know, the usual stuff.

[Greatest I am]

Why was Adam exempt from the transgression when the transgression was disobedience?

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

I think that Adam, not being deceived, was more culpable than Eve.

Why then did God favor the guiltiest, Adam, with, --- he shall rule over you?

Men rule over women? Why when men were not deceived but disobeyed?

What was the transgression, --- if not a wise decision to choose knowledge and wisdom and shun immortality of the flesh, --- even if that were possible, --- and why was Adan not punished as hard as Eve when he was clearly more guilty?

Regards
DL

Because god has a dick?

What do I win?

An urging that you tell that to all the theists you come into contact with.

Put down the reasons though as without them, they will jot listen. Even with them they may not but at least it takes away some of their time so that the evil they spew is less than it would be otherwise.

Get long winded in fact.

Regards
DL

[bladevalant546]

I am going to quote Freiza from Dragon Ball Z abridged. "It is kind of hard to be racist against a race that does not exist" How this pertains to this topic is simple, if Adam never existed and this story is allegoric, therefore it is irrelevant why Adam was not blamed beyond a story that basically speaks of a male dominated culture.

[Brian37]

In short woma/Eve was deceived when the serpent told her if she ate of the fruit she would not die. She ate, and noted she did not die. So she took this information and taught/imparted it to Adam. For this, transgression women are not to teach, in Paul's message to Timothy.

Still missing the point. She was set up, she had no say in the set up before hand. You are blaming the victim here. God put that snake there when he did not have to in the first place. No fucking different than blaming a rape victim for their own rape. It is a horrible fairy tale with absolutely no morality at all in it. It is the arbitrary act of a bully preying on the innocent.

[Greatest I am]

I am going to quote Freiza from Dragon Ball Z abridged. "It is kind of hard to be racist against a race that does not exist" How this pertains to this topic is simple, if Adam never existed and this story is allegoric, therefore it is irrelevant why Adam was not blamed beyond a story that basically speaks of a male dominated culture.

You are correct "It is kind of hard to be racist against a race that does not exist", but this is not about intelligent people. It is about people who let religious organizations think for them and they have been the majority so far.

If equality for women and gays is not something you crave for whatever society you are in, then your sense of social justice and conscience is no better than that of those who discriminate without just cause.

For evil to grow all people have to do is what you recommend doing. Nothing.

Regards
DL