Dodging theodicy: 'On Faith' panel stumbles over Haiti and God

[Zen Badger]

Because Zen what you're calling bullshit is the attribute of God that he is Nature. Yes you add in some extra will of his to actually choose to kill and destroy... which to me is incredibly childish and unsupported logic.

That's nice Frodo, but how am I calling science bullshit?

[fr0d0]

Who said you were calling science bullshit Zen??

1) We're talking about natural disasters right? A scientific stance is that plate tectonics is inseparable from life on earth. So... Natural disasters are a necessary part of existence.

2) God is blamed for natural disasters as somehow wanting to cause pain and suffering right? Assuming 'God' ...God created nature and the laws of physics.

So to say that God is based on bullshit is akin to saying science (the understanding of the physical laws of the universe) is based on bullshit too.

Geddit now?

[Zen Badger]

Since Science shows that God is based on bullshit.

You're saying that Science says that science is bullshit.

P.s I don't blame God for natural disasters, he doesn't exist remember.

[fr0d0]

Since Science shows that God is based on bullshit.

It does? where?

You're saying that Science says that science is bullshit.

Where do you get this shit? You're full of bullshit.. that's for sure.

P.s I don't blame God for natural disasters, he doesn't exist remember.

Funny, you seem to think you know what you're talking about here:

But the bible applies human attributes to God all the time. Mercy, jealousy, love, anger, etc, etc,etc. The christian god is pretty much a distillation of the worst of humanity. Whereas a universe spanning god(which is what you appear to be advocating) not only would have none of these but would be unaware of humans at all.

[Zen Badger]

"If you say God is based on bullshit then you are also saying that science is based on bullshit."

You have yet to explain the reasoning behind this statement.

[fr0d0]

Avert your eyes upward Zen... or are you suffering from some sort of opposition to your ideas blindness?

[Rhizomorph13]

That sounds and awful lot like an evangelical attempt fr0d0.

[fr0d0]

*groans* LOL

[Zen Badger]

Frodo,

Do you believe in the biblical God?

Or do you believe in a God that spans the universe and has no knowledge of humanity,

and to our eyes is indistinguishable from natural forces?

[fr0d0]

(You do know I was asking you to read the previous posts in the thread right Zen??)

Yep I'm a vanilla, straight down the line, mainstream Christian. I believe in the God of the Christian Bible. In this belief the Christian God created the universe and so is in it as well as not in it. Humanity, being part of the created bit is of God and therefore known to him. God created this physical reality and is in those natural forces, as well as outside, being the instigator of reality.