Gods supposed perfection

[downbeatplumb]

The answer may offend you, but....

Isaiah 45:9 (9"Woe to the one who quarrels with his Maker-- An earthenware vessel among the vessels of earth! Will the clay say to the potter, 'What are you doing?' Or the thing you are making say, 'He has no hands '?) is quoted and expounded in Romans 9:16-24

16It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

19One of you will say to me: “Then why does God still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?” 20But who are you, a human being, to talk back to God? “Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, ‘Why did you make me like this?’ ” 21Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

22What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? 23What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— 24even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?

Often we want God to be how we want Him to be, act how we want Him to act, so as to serve our wills. We want to create a God in our image. This is the perspective of humanism interpreting scripture, namely "It should be all about ME, all for MY benefit." Well, who are you oh man that you should.....

Where have you hidden the answer?

[Cyberman]

Oh contraire. Christianity provides a way to achieve that which non reasoning animals do instinctively, but by using that reasoning power. But y'all were trolling again right.

That's 'au contraire'.

[Whateverist]

Oh contraire. Christianity provides a way to achieve that which non reasoning animals do instinctively, but by using that reasoning power. But y'all were trolling again right.

Not me. I was just fucking with you.

[genkaus]

Oh contraire. Christianity provides a way to achieve that which non reasoning animals do instinctively, but by using that reasoning power. But y'all were trolling again right.

It helps us achieve the same results as a non-reasoning animal through reasoning? That's like giving someone medicine to make him sick.

Well, atleast we can agree on something - Christianity wants to bring us down to the level of animals whereas one's rationality is supposed to raise one above it.

[fr0d0]

The opposite gen.

Animals achieve 'life' without thinking. Humans achieve 'death' through intellect. Only a higher intellectual solution enables humans to equal the feat animals achieve without trying.

I think you're pretending to be stupid though. So maybe you get a pass.

[genkaus]

The opposite gen.

Animals achieve 'life' without thinking. Humans achieve 'death' through intellect. Only a higher intellectual solution enables humans to equal the feat animals achieve without trying.

I think you're pretending to be stupid though. So maybe you get a pass.

Frodo meet reality.

Its actually the opposite - animal existence is characterized by a constant struggle against death. Human intellect is the only thing that can ensure the continuation of life.

[fr0d0]

Way to miss the point gen.

[Chad32]

You're not making any sense, Frodo.

[Cyberman]

Life and death are achievements?

[genkaus]

Way to miss the point gen.

Nah... you just don't like the logical conclusion of your statement.