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Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm
Like the pirate bay ?
Is it stealing to use the site for stuff you would otherwise have to pay for ?
Simple answer is yes, obviously.
But what people are stealing isn't tangible, should that matter. Is policing such things more a kin to chasing thought criminals, the stuff they are downloading is nothing but information.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 7:05 pm
I think downloading is not illegal or at least shouldn't be... uploading is, and that's a built in feature.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 7:12 pm
(October 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm)ForumMember77 Wrote: Simple answer is yes, obviously.
No it's not stealing. The original copy is still intact and in the hands of the owner. Would you say creating a copy of someone's car is stealing if they still have the original car?
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 7:24 pm
(October 2, 2014 at 7:12 pm)Napoléon Wrote: (October 2, 2014 at 6:59 pm)ForumMember77 Wrote: Simple answer is yes, obviously.
No it's not stealing. The original copy is still intact and in the hands of the owner. Would you say creating a copy of someone's car is stealing if they still have the original car?
I was thinking from a legal standpoint, not my actual opinion. The previous poster says it's not though ?
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 7:33 pm
While I agree with the premise, Napo, I think you've oversimplified things.
If I spend x number of hours programming a game, say, and I put it up for sale on a site like Amazon, say, and Joe Schmo comes and buys it, but puts it up on Pirate Bay, and Joe Blow comes and downloads the tracker, that person is not stealing the game exactly, but he is stealing the profits from me, as he would have had to pay for my game were it not for the torrent service.
If I make a product, put it up for sale, and someone takes it without paying for it, I think that's stealing, no matter how big a company I work for.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 7:58 pm
Quote: that person is not stealing the game exactly, but he is stealing the profits from me,
Only if I would have bought it in the first place. Otherwise there is no net loss.
I grew up at a time when reel to reel tape recorders were commonplace and everyone made recordings of songs that were broadcast on the radio.
Is that "piracy?"
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 8:31 pm
My Canadian friend told me that they charge more for CD's and such because they expect you to digitally copy it so they in a sense, get a portion of the revenue normally lost by 'pirating'.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 8:33 pm
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(October 2, 2014 at 8:31 pm)Keri Wrote: My Canadian friend told me that they charge more for CD's and such because they expect you to digitally copy it so they in a sense, get a portion of the revenue normally lost by 'pirating'.
Yep, there's a tax on recordable media in Canuckistan for that very purpose.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 10:16 pm
I find it hard to believe that anyone would pay for what passes as "music" these days....and the movies generally suck, too.
Probably just me being an old fart.
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RE: Thoughts on torrent sites
October 2, 2014 at 10:25 pm
(October 2, 2014 at 7:33 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: While I agree with the premise, Napo, I think you've oversimplified things.
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If I spend x number of hours programming a game, say, and I put it up for sale on a site like Amazon, say, and Joe Schmo comes and buys it, but puts it up on Pirate Bay, and Joe Blow comes and downloads the tracker, that person is not stealing the game exactly, but he is stealing the profits from me, as he would have had to pay for my game were it not for the torrent service.
If I make a product, put it up for sale, and someone takes it without paying for it, I think that's stealing, no matter how big a company I work for.
Yeah they are stealing profits you never had because they never bought it. Also games that are pirated actually sell much better
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