Heads up advice for atheists.

[Cyberman]

It's the law of the excluded middle - if science is false, xtianity must be true.

Oh wait, no it's not. Sorry; don't bother reading this.

[fr0d0]

Did you ever wonder if that's because NONE of the truth it contains has anything at all to do with science.

NO, you fish for pretty stories and gap fill for instances of lack of explanation when you luck out. This is our species flawed perceptions because of selection bias and sample rate error.

Most humans prefer a comforting lie than a harsh truth, you are simply one of most.

Now again, you were not around 4 billion years ago, or 13 billion years ago and none of us as a species will be around 10 billion years from now. When our species goes extinct all our man made superstitions and god beliefs will go extinct with us. The universe will continue with no record of our existence. Our planet's core will burn out and our sun too. And again, the universe will go on with no capability of caring about our finite existence.

I do not need to fill in gaps with gods about a fictional afterlife anymore than I worry about my non existence before my birth.

You're filling gaps with science Brian. I'm not filling any gaps with God. As usual you'll just ignore everything said and carry on blindly as you seen to want to do. Good luck with that

[RobbyPants]

Well, I always wanted to test this verse against science (probably most Muslims wanted to) :

( 33 ) O people from jinn and mankind, if you are able to pass beyond the regions of the heavens and the earth, then pass. You will not pass except by power (literal translation of the word سلطان).
( 34 ) So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?
( 35 ) There will be sent upon you Fragments (the literal translation of شواظ) of fire & brass and you will not succeed.

So for an ancient Muslim, he/she must be wondering : am I really really going to get hit by tiny hot fragments if I got into outer space without the proper power -the sultan literally means "ultimate power/authority + control over something"..

Well we could've saved scientists some extra time by showing them this verse ; it would've guided them immediately to MICROMETEOROIDS !! with are actually fragments so hot (just like a mixture of fire & brass/copper) that kills you if you travel outer space without enough "sultan/power" !!!

I like your topic..

Cherry picking.

You're counting your "hits", where the vaguely worded bit about fire and brass as meaning "micrometeroids", while you ignore your misses about jinn. That's talking about genies. You're seriously trying to find scientific advice from something that mentions genies in the same sentence. You also ignore the miss of meteoroids not being made of brass or fire. You're just seeing what you want to see.

Note: this isn't something unique to Islam. Talk to Christians about how the book of Job predicted a spherical earth before anyone else knew that. Of course, it doesn't, but I'm just letting you know that post hoc, cherry picked interpretations of vaguely worded verses isn't unique to Islam.

[Brian37]

NO, you fish for pretty stories and gap fill for instances of lack of explanation when you luck out. This is our species flawed perceptions because of selection bias and sample rate error.

Most humans prefer a comforting lie than a harsh truth, you are simply one of most.

Now again, you were not around 4 billion years ago, or 13 billion years ago and none of us as a species will be around 10 billion years from now. When our species goes extinct all our man made superstitions and god beliefs will go extinct with us. The universe will continue with no record of our existence. Our planet's core will burn out and our sun too. And again, the universe will go on with no capability of caring about our finite existence.

I do not need to fill in gaps with gods about a fictional afterlife anymore than I worry about my non existence before my birth.

You're filling gaps with science Brian. I'm not filling any gaps with God. As usual you'll just ignore everything said and carry on blindly as you seen to want to do. Good luck with that

If you are not using scientific method to prove a claim you are merely mentally masturbating. The only way to find the answer to something is by taking prior data that is confirmed plug it into an established formula, test it with control groups and and have it independently peer reviewed.

Whatever you think your "evidence" is, is not scientific method. PERIOD.

[fr0d0]

Thinking = mental masturbation

Yeah we get it Brian

My evidence for God it's most definitely NOT scientific Brian. For subjects within the scope of science, I use science exclusively.

[Brian37]

Thinking = mental masturbation

Yeah we get it Brian

My evidence for God it's most definitely NOT scientific Brian. For subjects within the scope of science, I use science exclusively.

BINGO.........So if you admit and agree that your "evidence" is not scientific then all you have are your feelings.

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And yes science DOES fill gaps. That is how it works, when scientists run into something they do not understand, they study it with methods and formulas already established and keep repeating the process and tweaking it until they do fill that gap. Then when they think they have something, they turn it over for peer review to see if what they gave as the answer to fill that gap is confirmed. If it is not confirmed they repeat the process. If it gets confirmed then the entire world has universal knowledge that all of the scientific community can use.

[fr0d0]

No Brian. I have rational thought. A process of discerning truth. "Feelings" are best guesses based upon unknowns. I have no feelings about what I believe.

There's a massive part of life which science doesn't cover, and cannot, BY ITS OWN RULES. The gaps you want science to cover can never be covered by science, because they are outside of its realm. Scientists readily acknowledge this.

Square circles will always be logically impossible, just as your insistence that science has an answer for everything is illogical.

[Brian37]

No Brian. I have rational thought. A process of discerning truth. "Feelings" are best guesses based upon unknowns. I have no feelings about what I believe.

There's a massive part of life which science doesn't cover, and cannot, BY ITS OWN RULES. The gaps you want science to cover can never be covered by science, because they are outside of its realm. Scientists readily acknowledge this.

Square circles will always be logically impossible, just as your insistence that science has an answer for everything is illogical.

Nope. There is where you are wrong again. It is irrational to presume an answer which is what "god of the gaps" is. It is when you do it, when Muslims do it, when Hindus do it, when the Ancient Egyptians did it.

Don't hand me any half ass agreement that your evidence is not scientific then claim to have an answer.

The difference between when science does not know something, and the bad logic you use, is that science does not presume. You bought the car without checking under the hood first. Science makes sure there there is an engine under the hood.

We have the evolutionary facts not only in humans but in other species as well that our pattern seeking as a species is notoriously flawed. It is easier for humans to gap fill than it is for them to test to insure quality of data.

It is no different a flawed perception than when an antelope on the African plains cant tell if that tall grass swaying is the wind or a lion stalking it. That antelope does not always have time to sit and observe and can simply react and get the guess wrong, by running away from the wind when no lion was actually there.

No different than when kids desire Santa to be real, or when they fear the dark shadows on their night time wall as being a monster. I had both those falsehoods as a kid.

The problem with adults is they do not understand how powerful in biochemical terms how easily they can fool themselves or be fooled by what others sell them. Your "evidence" can feel quite real to you and I am sure you really would like a god to exist. And those false perceptions can feel as real as a phantom pain amputees report.

But it still amounts to selection bias and sample rate error. When you claim science does not have the answers, they do in terms of biological evolution, anthropology, neurology, psychology and psychiatry. We have very natural explanations as to why humans can and do have false perceptions.

You simply like what you believe and you have "experiences" that you misinterpret because you do not have an objective understanding of of those sciences I mentioned.

"Evidence" is not what you personally cherry pick. Evidence is why you are typing on your computer, why we have planes and doctors and cell phones. Your personal belief is only evidence that you have a personal belief, but it is not and never will be universal like science is.

[Cyberman]

while you ignore your misses about jinn. That's talking about genies.

Sure about that?

[fr0d0]

Yes and it's a different SUBJECT Brian. Science gets you no where with it. Just like with the things you're talking about... theology is not the appropriate tool. Likewise when considering a theological problem, science is an inappropriate tool. Unless you're some kind of unique individual that never considers meaning and belief, which is scientifically impossible, then you need to use rational processes that are not scientific. You yourself are disproof of your own claims.