Atheism is unreasonable

[robvalue]

I think that you can tell a lot more by looking at something than you can by scientifically studying it. And if you have just 3 or 4 categories to put things in, that speeds up the process.

[FatAndFaithless]

I think that you can tell a lot more by looking at something than you can by scientifically studying it. And if you have just 3 or 4 categories to put things in, that speeds up the process.

Pfft, that's how I look at world. And it's really easy! There are only two "kinds" in my world, "red things" and "Not red things". Makes everthing sooo simple~

[robvalue]

Oh wow, I never thought of that, that will speed things up even more!

Red things good, not red things, bad.

All my work done by 9.30 AM.

[pocaracas]

Oh wow, I never thought of that, that will speed things up even more!

Red things good, not red things, bad.

All my work done by 9.30 AM.

your avatar: good.
your username: bad.

[FatAndFaithless]

So far this page of the thread is fantastic, all the avatars have red.

[robvalue]

Whoah, whoah... whoah!?

My username? Ow, that one cut deep. I am robvalue, it's my eternal name, I am robvalue everywhere. It is my identity. And for some reason, it's never taken when I go somewhere new.

Probably because it's a stupid fucking name, but I think it's funny. There is a reason behind the name, but not a good reason. It was part of a fad I had many years ago where I put the word "value" on the end of lots of words, so it ended up on my name.

Oh yeah, it's not red, so it does suck, you're right.

Yeah, the avatar is cool, I wish I was that cool. Props for anyone who recognizes it? It's from one of my favourite games ever, one which sadly did really badly in sales.

[Mister Agenda]

When I say "dogs produce dogs", in other words I am saying that animals only produce what they are, not what they aren't..which is not the position of evolutionary biology. If you believe that the dogs of today came from non-dogs of yesterday, then...you know... lol

That's exactly the position of evolutionary biology. No animal will ever produce offspring of a different species, with the possible exception of certain hybrids. However, the descendants of an isolated population of dogs would be a different dog-like species after 10,000 generations, and after 10,000 more their descendants would be less dog-like and surely no longer capable of interbreeding with main population of dogs this population split off from. However at no point did any animal give birth to offspring that weren't the same species as the parent. If the generation length doesn't change (remains about 2 years), this would take about 10,000 years. Dogs are an interesting case, because although they're all over the world, they've never been completely reproductively isolated (despite the best efforts of breeders), so although artificial selection has produced varieties as distinct as toy poodles and Irish Wolfhounds, they can all still interbreed, with the exception of breeds that are too anatomically different to be able to mate. They remain dogs, due to a combination of continued interbreeding and the fact that artificial selection works much faster than natural selection, so that the morphological changes far outpace the genetic drift that eventually results in genomes being too incompatible for interbreeding to be successful. In our hypothetical isolated dog population, after roughly 60 million years, it would have, on average, as much in common genetically with the original dog population as current dogs have with cats.

[dyresand]

When I say "dogs produce dogs", in other words I am saying that animals only produce what they are, not what they aren't..which is not the position of evolutionary biology. If you believe that the dogs of today came from non-dogs of yesterday, then...you know... lol

That's exactly the position of evolutionary biology. No animal will ever produce offspring of a different species, with the possible exception of certain hybrids. However, the descendants of an isolated population of dogs would be a different dog-like species after 10,000 generations, and after 10,000 more their descendants would be less dog-like and surely no longer capable of interbreeding with main population of dogs this population split off from. However at no point did any animal give birth to offspring that weren't the same species as the parent. If the generation length doesn't change (remains about 2 years), this would take about 10,000 years. Dogs are an interesting case, because although they're all over the world, they've never been completely reproductively isolated (despite the best efforts of breeders), so although artificial selection has produced varieties as distinct as toy poodles and Irish Wolfhounds, they can all still interbreed, with the exception of breeds that are too anatomically different to be able to mate. They remain dogs, due to a combination of continued interbreeding and the fact that artificial selection works much faster than natural selection, so that the morphological changes far outpace the genetic drift that eventually results in genomes being too incompatible for interbreeding to be successful. In our hypothetical isolated dog population, after roughly 60 million years, it would have, on average, as much in common genetically with the original dog population as current dogs have with cats.

Also there is types of birds they cannot interbreed because they are separate species of birds so to say all birds are the same kind would be wrong. as a chicken cannot mate with other birds as it not would have a fertile off spring. Dogs are a true exception and a few other species of animals are.

[pocaracas]

Whoah, whoah... whoah!?

My username? Ow, that one cut deep. I am robvalue, it's my eternal name, I am robvalue everywhere. It is my identity. And for some reason, it's never taken when I go somewhere new.

Not red ==> bad!

[robvalue]

Either people want to go get educated on this stuff, or they are content to be completely ignorant and make fools of themselves (evolution). Staring at some dogs and listening to Ray Comfort does not make you as qualified as an evolutionary biologist. (Yes, really!)

EDIT haha yeah, my brain not working today, I realized afterwards you said it because it's not red. I got to tell my story though. I only have one story. I was only mucking around though, I know it's a stupid name, it's why I keep it.