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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 10, 2014 at 9:18 pm
The concept of the challenge above fails for me.
There are days I do not pray or ponder specifics.
God gives impressions and understandings even on those days.
They just come without input from me.
See, it is like a friendship and your friends can and do speak to you without you speaking first.
Besides that, when information comes to me, it gets filtered pretty readily after knowing and studying what He thinks and why, for four decades.
Especially for the things the devil has his hand in.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 11, 2014 at 10:56 pm
I disbelieved for a few days. Those who remember remember that I had a horrible time. I doubted value, morality and praise as a result and they even seemed false to me through how I rationalized they came about. I don't know how to believe even a relative value, morality, and praise, without God, so it would be horrible for me.
For those who can, I hope they continue to believe in value, morality, praise, honor, etc. But being a nihilist when desperately wanting to believe otherwise is too hard.
It was a tough few days.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 11, 2014 at 11:45 pm
(This post was last modified: November 11, 2014 at 11:59 pm by Mudhammam.)
"Nobody is very likely to consider a doctrine true merely because it makes people happy or virtuous--except perhaps the lovely 'Idealists' who become effusive about the good, the true, and the beautiful and allow all kinds of motley, clumsy, and benevolent desiderata to swim around in utter confusion in their pond. Happiness and virtue are no arguments. But people like to forget--even sober spirits--that making unhappy and evil are no counterarguments. Something might be true while being harmful and dangerous in the highest degree."
"In any event, the greatest suspicion of a 'truth' should arise when feelings of pleasure enter the discussion of the question 'What is true?' The proof of 'pleasure' is a proof of 'pleasure'--nothing else... At every step one has to wrestle for truth; one has had to surrender for it almost everything to which the heart, to which our love, our trust in life, cling otherwise. That requires greatness of soul."
Well said, Nietzsche, ya old mutt!
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 10:02 am
(November 11, 2014 at 10:56 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I disbelieved for a few days. Those who remember remember that I had a horrible time. I doubted value, morality and praise as a result and they even seemed false to me through how I rationalized they came about. I don't know how to believe even a relative value, morality, and praise, without God, so it would be horrible for me.
For those who can, I hope they continue to believe in value, morality, praise, honor, etc. But being a nihilist when desperately wanting to believe otherwise is too hard.
It was a tough few days.
I'm and atheist and i'm perfectly happy its more of the religious programming. If it keeps you happy by all means keep yourself happy.
also you just can't become an atheist in a day it takes awhile if to get rid of the theistic mindset and programming.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 2:38 pm
Without prayer I would worry about everything.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 3:12 pm
(November 12, 2014 at 2:38 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Without prayer I would worry about everything.
do you believe prayer give you power to not fear the unknown.
what if without prayer for a brief moment without prayer do do not worry.
there is many things in world people fear then justify the means to prayer to not fear it. its only natural to those who believe in a god or gods. But give yourself a day or a moment to not pray to be afraid you will see there is nothing to fear.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Dyre...this challenge isn't really a good one, and it's even bordering on an unfair "gotcha" against theists. You can't simply "turn off" your beliefs or "choose" to believe something else. Beliefs aren't simple choices, one arrives at a belief in something at the point of being convinced and conversely arrives at a state of disbelief when one becomes or remains unconvinced. One could say they believe or don't believe something, but the actual stance of holding a belief in something isn't something as simple as "Today I choose to believe in God" and "today I choose not to believe in God".
Asking a theist to just "try a day without theism" would be the same as one asking you to "try a day as an evangelical Baptist". You could outwardly express that you hold certain beliefs, but could you really, honestly believe in your mind that God exists, homosexuality is a sin, the world is 6000 years old, evolution is false, and America is God's favorite nation, just by deciding that day you suddenly believe it? I think it's a bit of an unfair challenge.
Beliefs are changed by discussion and arguments and evidence and by becoming convinced or unconvinced, not by "choice".
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 4:09 pm
(November 12, 2014 at 3:18 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Dyre...this challenge isn't really a good one, and it's even bordering on an unfair "gotcha" against theists. You can't simply "turn off" your beliefs or "choose" to believe something else. Beliefs aren't simple choices, one arrives at a belief in something at the point of being convinced and conversely arrives at a state of disbelief when one becomes or remains unconvinced. One could say they believe or don't believe something, but the actual stance of holding a belief in something isn't something as simple as "Today I choose to believe in God" and "today I choose not to believe in God".
Asking a theist to just "try a day without theism" would be the same as one asking you to "try a day as an evangelical Baptist". You could outwardly express that you hold certain beliefs, but could you really, honestly believe in your mind that God exists, homosexuality is a sin, the world is 6000 years old, evolution is false, and America is God's favorite nation, just by deciding that day you suddenly believe it? I think it's a bit of an unfair challenge.
Beliefs are changed by discussion and arguments and evidence and by becoming convinced or unconvinced, not by "choice".
Alright ill give you that but how about a day as another denotation of your religion. but even still this wasn't a fair challenge i said it would be to hard for anyone. And it would be like me trying to be a Christian its just not going to happen.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 4:13 pm
(November 12, 2014 at 2:38 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: Without prayer I would worry about everything.
So belief to you is a sort of mental heroin that makes your days bearable.
Marx (I think) said religion was the opium of the masses, seems he was spot on.
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RE: Theists i have a little challenge for you
November 12, 2014 at 9:26 pm
(November 10, 2014 at 5:01 pm)Beccs Wrote: (November 10, 2014 at 4:52 pm)dyresand Wrote: try being a atheist for a whole day. do not believe in god and no you may pray but you can live your normal life no god talk just live your life without god being in it. if you can survive the whole day without saying a prayer or asking god for anything hey you win.
Perhaps challenge them to see the world through our eyes. Been there and done that on both counts. I used to be an atheist.
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