FERGUSON

[Thumpalumpacus]

I disagree with that analysis. I think it has much more to do with poor applicant screening, and training and indoctrination issues.

Um no. Other countries who allow guns, also limit the types of guns and the volume of guns. It is no different than setting standards on street legal cars. No one is allowed to drive on a public road with a Hummer 5 lanes wide, nor would they be allowed to own a jet or tank. And if the road is too congested we look for ways to reduce that congestion.

The volume of guns also matter. Your rightful accepting screening and training means nothing if you are trying to use a fork to nail jello to the wall. The laws are meaningless if the flooded market creates a game of whack a mole.

"Um", ascribing police killings to gun manufacturers needs much more support than hypothetical Hummers five lanes wide and "um" comments.

[Brian37]

Um no. Other countries who allow guns, also limit the types of guns and the volume of guns. It is no different than setting standards on street legal cars. No one is allowed to drive on a public road with a Hummer 5 lanes wide, nor would they be allowed to own a jet or tank. And if the road is too congested we look for ways to reduce that congestion.

The volume of guns also matter. Your rightful accepting screening and training means nothing if you are trying to use a fork to nail jello to the wall. The laws are meaningless if the flooded market creates a game of whack a mole.

"Um", ascribing police killings to gun manufacturers needs much more support than hypothetical Hummers five lanes wide and "um" comments.

UGGGGGGG.

You are trying to insert a deliberate conspiracy into this when I am not claiming every single person who disagrees with me is doing something out of meanness. I am speaking in terms of a collective climate based on conditions.

The gun manufactures are no different than any other business. Just like the CEO of Walmart their duty is to their shareholders and the CEOs and reward the CEOs for increasing sales and expanding the market.

Now, there is also a religious mentality in this because of how humans behave. Group cooperation creates more access to resources, more resources more opportunity to replicate that pattern you see as beneficial. The downside to this evolutionary behavior, is that far too often it does not take into account other groups that compete to do other things based on their pattern seeking.

So again, it is not a matter of always ill intent but bad conditions.

But there are also opportunists like pedophile priests who use their position to abuse others, or political opportunists like Stalin or Hitler who manipulate populist ideas only to create a monopoly themselves. There are also EVEN IF NOT ALL, business that have owners who simply are greedy. Others may not be aware of what their actions do and simply think they got it right, without being aware of how their actions affect others. Just like one priest may not molest himself, but will protect his buddy because he thinks "hey he's priest, we never do anything wrong". Same with cops, you can say cops do bad things, but other cops may be protecting them not because they are intentionally covering up, but when you are part of a group, humans have a tendency to protect that group.

All aspects of society can be subject to a bad climate, which can be both intentional and unintentional in that overlap.

[The Grand Nudger]

I've had a lot of experience with cops. I've had them pull guns on me twice. If I was as dumb as Michael Brown seems to have been, I might be dead today. All in all though my experience with them has generally been good and pleasant.

I bet it has...even though you're dumb enough to have been doing something that would get a gun pulled on you. You -are- as dumb as Michael Brown "seems to have been" (we all are, nothing wrong with that, human beings are remarkably average), you just aren't quite as black.

Minimalist is being an ass with his "fucking cops" thread because he is portraying an unbalanced view. Which I assume is the view he holds....which is I think he is such a dumb ass.

Point to a single cop in his thread that doesn't belong there?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Brian, I'm not trying to impute anything to you. I simply don't find you logic convincing. I'm certainly not making ANY point about any sort of "conspiracy".

[Thumpalumpacus]

Minimalist is being an ass with his "fucking cops" thread because he is portraying an unbalanced view. Which I assume is the view he holds....which is I think he is such a dumb ass.

I'm no fan of Mini's, but quite frankly, police abuses need a spotlight.

If you want to complain about imbalance, take a look at the way police are prosecuted vs the way civilians are prosecuted. If I were to be caught doing something illegal, no code of silence goes into operation for me. If I try to defend myself in court, my word is automatically deemed less reliable than a policeman's, solely by dint of the fact that he's a cop and I am not.

"Some animals are more equal than others", indeed.

[Manowar]

News was speaking about Ferguson decision, the grand jury has to consider a few things they said. If the cop thought his life was in danger he can shoot to kill, ( I knew that) if a suspect is Fleeing the crime scene a cop can shoot to kill, (That i did not know). From this I think they will not indict that cop. Also i don't think that the grand jury will announce anything until after Thanksgiving for obvious reasons.

[Jenny A]

St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch announced that the grand jury's verdict is not to indict Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson.

U.S.A Today

NBC includes Video Discussing Evidence

[strawdawg]

There we have it. Mr Wilson is innocent.

[Whateverist]

Not surprised and not disappointed either. Frankly I prefer to think not every cop is a back shooting killer. I believe the grand jury results are fair and balanced and I'd prefer not to punish an innocent man to placate a mob.

[Jenny A]

Not surprised and not disappointed either. Frankly I prefer to think not every cop is a back shooting killer. I believe the grand jury results are fair and balanced and I'd prefer not to punish an innocent man to placate a mob.

I agree. It's worth watching St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch run through the evidence.