Garden of Eden was a setup...

[Cyberman]

We could take it a stage further in fact. Paris exists. The Louvre exists. The Renaissance happened. Therefore The da Vinci Code is a true historical account of actual events.

[robvalue]

Nice. Wow, you can prove whatever you want with theist logic!

My maths exams would have been much easier if I'd have known this.

We need to start writing down the rules of theist logic...here we go...

OK done.

[JonDarbyXIII]

The Bible is replete with evidence and the more they dig up sites in the middle east the more evidence they find in support of the folks and locations talked about in the Bible.

I know it's been said here many times, but I don't think it hurts to throw it out again.

1) Archaeology that supports the "folks and locations" does not, in any of itself, prove anything about the Bible's veracity--only that the stories were superimposed over a historical backdrop. If in 1,000 years, archaeologists uncovered NYC, it would not prove that Spiderman exists.

2) While it's all fine and good that there are some accurate historical details in the Bible, it is far more interesting to note all the things that just are not accurate. My personal favorite source is The Bible Unearthed by Israel Finkelstein, who btw is director of archaeology for Tel Aviv University

http://www.amazon.com/The-Bible-Unearthe...0684869136

[Tonus]

1) Archaeology that supports the "folks and locations" does not, in any of itself, prove anything about the Bible's veracity--only that the stories were superimposed over a historical backdrop. If in 1,000 years, archaeologists uncovered NYC, it would not prove that Spiderman exists.

It's also possible that in 1,000 years, not only would archaeologists know that New York City existed, but that a man named Peter Parker lived there. In which case, those pushing for the idea that Spider-Man was real could start from "the consensus expert opinion is that Peter Parker existed." And what are the odds that people named Jonah Jameson, Mary Watson, Robert Robertson, etc also existed?

(You'd probably get stumped by Otto Octavius, but remember... this is New York we're talking about.)

[robvalue]

I would expect the word of God to be 100% accurate. Seems Christians are happy with about 1%.

That's what happens when your editors are pressing you to meet a deadline. He didn't even have google back then.

[Thumpalumpacus]

OK, one at a time....
Evil does not exist, at least not onto itslef. Evil is an absence of Good.

And the corollary of that is that good is the absence of evil. By this logic, I could equally argue that good doesn't exist. Of course morality is relative. (It makes me wonder why you adhere to a system of religious belief which is pinned upon the idea that morality is absolute ... but that's another discussion).

Otherwise, you're simply asserting that good is the only truly existing moral quality.

Cold is the absence of heat
dark is the absence of light
evil is the absence of good

The first two are materials states, the third is an abstraction. Your analogy fails.

lets go out on a limb on this one....
disease is the absence of health
and finally death is the absence of life

Who created the viruses that kill people?

Who not only created the concept of death, but inflicted it upon every human being who ever lived?

God created Lucifer the most beautiful of His angelic creation (that's an easy one) and Lucifer rebelled against God and was separated from God and we now know him as Satan

Did this rebellion surprise your god? I was raised believing that the Christian god knows everything that ever was, ever is, and ever would be.

If your god knew Satan would go on to torment billions of people yet did nothing to stop this, then morally speaking, your god is culpable in those evil deeds. (Now, I'm not talking about Hell, so don't trot out Christ's sacrifice to demonstrate your god making right the evils he has permitted. I'm talking about the evils we see in this world, evils I've already mentioned such as diseases like cancer which strike haphazardly with no consideration of the victim's moral rectitude).

If your god didn't know that Satan would do this, then the obvious conclusion to draw is that the Bible is wrong about at least one pretty important aspect of your god's nature.

[Whateverist]

We could take it a stage further in fact. Paris exists. The Louvre exists. The Renaissance happened. Therefore The da Vinci Code is a true historical account of actual events.

Seriously! There are lots of historical accounts for all those things. Obviously it was a big deal and they say the very world we live in was largely shaped by the Renaissance. So how could the da Vinci Code not be true. Anyone who doesn't believe in that can't be very enlightened. And yet somehow the very same people are willing to believe that a chimp will evolve into human - even though there is no recorded account of that actually ever happening![/sacasm]

[robvalue]

I mean... the bible was written while or shortly after this stuff was going on, and near the mentioned places. I don't think it's the slightest bit amazing that they got some of it right. Talk about a low bar.

[ChristIsLord]

Cold is the absence of heat
dark is the absence of light
evil is the absence of good

Not at all the same.

Cold, heat, dark and light have pretty straight forward definitions.

Good and evil, however, are relative to the society or culture relating those terms.

Forgive my ignorance and enlighten me; can you please define each one of those, one at a time.
Please don't move on to the next till I fully grasp the first one were going to tackle.

Lets start with COLD; how would you define COLD?
Let me thank you in advance for your patience.

[Minimalist]

Is your worthless coward of a president going to give up his kid for your benefit or is he too busy playing golf when he should be running the country.

I'll bet a fuckhead like you never had a word of complaint when that shitstain Bush was off vacationing in Texas? But then, Bush was a white, republicunt wasn't he. Makes everything fine in your book.

Fuck off and take your phony fucking god with you.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/28...29192.html

Q: Is it true that George W. Bush took more vacation days than Barack Obama?

A: Yes. Before his two-week trip to Martha’s Vineyard in August, Obama’s count was 125 full or partial days and Bush’s total at the same point in his presidency was 407.