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we don't send ourselves to hell
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 RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 3:45 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2014 at 3:45 pm by Minimalist.)
Quote:If you really think about it Dy, if you really think about it you dismiss it for the fictional bullshit it is and never worry about it again.  RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 4:09 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2014 at 4:13 pm by dyresand.)
(December 1, 2014 at 3:45 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:If you really think about it Pretty much my whole point its that one way of thinking that most theist would try to argue with. When you have a rational person say we don't send ourselves to hell god does. Many people take it offensive like god is always supposed to be some good moral being when god really in the bible isn't moral at all. Because it says in the bible who is and who isn't going to hell by having a standard is just silly and in no possible way that is the actual word of god because the bible is a inaccurate source of history. Even back then they said the non believers wouldn't go to heaven well there is always disbelievers with any religiion. and faith for the most part when it comes to religion and hell is like running in a circle.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
Code: <iframe width="100%" height="450" scrolling="no" frameborder="no" src="https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https%3A//api.soundcloud.com/tracks/255506953&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true"></iframe> (December 1, 2014 at 2:38 pm)dyresand Wrote: If you really think about it a all knowing being would be the one doing called god. god creates humans he knows the outcome he knows who is and who isn't going to hell. so this line "you send yourself to hell not god". is false. if a all knowing being who has knowledge of the past and present and our futures free will gets thrown out the window and lets forget about it.  So.. Just because you know how a movie ends, even if no one else in the theater has seen it, does it mean you wrote the movie?Quote: What?!?!Ok again back to Knowing how a movie turns out before everyone else. If you had knoweledge of a plot twist well in advance of anyone else, does it mean you wrote in the twist into the movie, or does it simply mean you saw the movie before? even If worked on set, or even if you were the movie producer who makes everything happen, it still doesn't mean you wrote the movie. God has produced our own movie. Quote:What if our sins go back further? or what if you do not understand the nature of sin? Quote:and yet some people will say god doesn't interfere with free will... yes he does in the OT and the NT making a mans heart cold and not letting the jews go.If your heart was harden toward a given segment of the population would you keep them in slavery? Pharroah's Heart was already hard is the thing most of you selectivly forget. God Harden it to limit 'buyers remorse.' Quote:Yeah god does what he sees fit,Indeed, the question then becomes what Does God see fit to do? The answer provide an oppertunity for attoment for sin for all who want it. effectivly making all who do not select Heaven/Attonement elect Hell/sin. Quote: the question then becomes what Does God see fit to do? No. The question remains "is there any evidence that your silly god exists at all."
Believing or not believing is a proverbial bear trap its there the chances are leaning to the way of a being like god not existing.
either way if one steps onto it one would wonder who would fall on it first.
Atheism is a non-prophet organization join today.
Code: <iframe width="100%" height="450" scrolling="no" frameborder="no" src="https://w.soundcloud.com/player/?url=https%3A//api.soundcloud.com/tracks/255506953&auto_play=false&hide_related=false&show_comments=true&show_user=true&show_reposts=false&visual=true"></iframe> (December 1, 2014 at 3:31 pm)dyresand Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sounds to me that someone is trying to convince himself that he's not going to wind up in hell, you can do something about t instead of worrying. Check out the NT, God says He desires no one to spend eternity in hell. That's only a small part of being a Christian, and should never be the main reason to be a Christian. Glad to see you admit that Christians have nothing to fear when it comes to hell. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
 (December 1, 2014 at 6:57 pm)Godschild Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 3:31 pm)dyresand Wrote: If i was scared to go to hell i would be a Christian. . . .depending on your denomination, as interpreted by other denominations . . . RJA Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" RE: we don't send ourselves to hell
December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm
(This post was last modified: December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm by Godscreated.)
(December 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm)Tonus Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 3:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: Check out the NT, God says He desires no one to spend eternity in hell.Then no one will spend an eternity in hell. A desire and His will are two very different things, to many will be in hell. Why, because it is within their grasp to avoid such a place. GC (December 1, 2014 at 6:59 pm)Beccs Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 6:57 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's only a small part of being a Christian, and should never be the main reason to be a Christian. Glad to see you admit that Christians have nothing to fear when it comes to hell. . . Wrong.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Godschild Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm)Tonus Wrote: Then no one will spend an eternity in hell. Looking at history, I would say I'm right. Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (December 1, 2014 at 7:12 pm)Beccs Wrote:(December 1, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Godschild Wrote: A desire and His will are two very different things, to many will be in hell. Why, because it is within their grasp to avoid such a place. What?
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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even if you wanted to go to heaven and well if you had knowledge that well he knows what you are going to do so he has a planned out that your going to hell because i know you are and i know what your going to do.
