A rant on gender stereotypes

[Natachan]

My eye is twitching after reading all this. Are those words supposed to be in that order?

[Chili]

Seriously, I don't care and I never will. As long as you are not bothering me and my family, do ya thang.

Not to worry, if tradition is what must bring your yield, your 'ship would never come in until 500 years down the road.

[Chili]

My eye is twitching after reading all this. Are those words supposed to be in that order?

Yes, and rightfully it should burn every protestant church in Christendom, but not quite. You must also understand that protestants are needed to nurse the lamb of god and crucify the Catholic in the end. I have heard it said they must pull the old hide off of them to set the man free as created to be.

Of course in America that is not possible because the whole country is on fire for the Lord and that is why you people are here, and kudo's you from my end because it takes courage to walk away from the tradition in which you are raised.

[bladevalant546]

I hate gender stereotypes and most arguments have been said. I would l like to say to some extent that sexual dimorphism and gender are not the same things. Yes there are minor psychological differences in terms of instincts....however gender roles are almost totally cultural.

[Chili]

I hate gender stereotypes and most arguments have been said. I would l like to say to some extent that sexual dimorphism and gender are not the same things. Yes there are minor psychological differences in terms of instincts....however gender roles are almost totally cultural.

Fair enough, but you fail to accept that creation occurs only when two opposites meet and for this to yield whatever is sought they must be serious contenders right from the start.

So you must have noticed then that with the introduction of our gender equal value system, fertility has gone poof and left us stranded with nearly a sterile society in which fertility is promising the next biggest industry in America today.

Then let me add that when gender equal became the norm they did not raise woman, but reduced her to 'mere' human instead.

At least in my view, woman as female is the greatest gift to mankind and is also responsible for the next generation each generation again and since this movement began has become mediocre at best.

[rexbeccarox]

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I hate gender stereotypes and most arguments have been said. I would l like to say to some extent that sexual dimorphism and gender are not the same things. Yes there are minor psychological differences in terms of instincts....however gender roles are almost totally cultural.

Fair enough, but you fail to accept that creation occurs only when two opposites meet and for this to yield whatever is sought they must be serious contenders right from the start.

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So you must have noticed then that with the introduction of our gender equal value system, fertility has gone poof and left us stranded with nearly a sterile society in which fertility is promising the next biggest industry in America today.

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Then let me add that when gender equal became the norm they did not raise woman, but reduced her to 'mere' human instead.

At least in my view, woman as female is the greatest gift to mankind and is also responsible for the next generation each generation again and since this movement began has become mediocre at best.

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Uh... have you met the Duggars?

[Regina]

They annoy me too, if they are enforced on people. I don't see anything wrong with men wanting to be masculine with traditionally male roles, or women who want to be feminine. The problem is when these qualities are held at a premium, and used to set very high standards for what males and females are "supposed" to be.

I just don't see how it affects people. You're a male who thinks that men shouldn't cry, ok good for you, don't cry then. It doesn't affect you when other men do, especially if they take themselves off to do it quietly. To me it's one of those situations where, ok you might feel a particular way about it, but what harm is it doing to you that you need to comment? A woman cutting her hair short doesn't affect you, a fem-presenting man wearing androgynous clothing does not affect you.

Also, yes there are biological differences between men and women, but what's that got to do with being able to fix a tyre, or knit, or wearing a blouse? Ancient humans weren't doing any of those so it's irrelevant. Women aren't physically weaker either, I don't know where we get that from. Look at any animal species. If you threaten a baby animal, 9 times out of 10 it will be the mother with her fangs in your neck. Protecting the young takes strength and keen awareness skills. Our female ancestors would have been doing that too, while they were living out in the wild before we had cities. It's only become a "fact" that women are weaker because it's hammered into us, so we believe it and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Dystopia]

I think the problem is that simply labelling these characteristics as "feminine" or "masculine" already creates some division and people start, logically associating the former with what a woman is supposed to be, and the later with what a man is supposed to be - For that matter, I think you can adopt any behaviour you want, but there's no need to associated with "traditional" gender roles because that propagates the subconscious idea that it's the way to go... If you want to be a housewife, fine, househusband, fine, you want to work and are a female? Fine. Are you a male? Fine - But don't attribute it to people's sex, rather personal choices, it's like chivalry, there's no point in giving special treatment to women under the thinking that we are fulfilling some traditional supported role, it's best to just treat everyone with politeness, I open the door to my girlfriend, she opens it for me, and so on....

I think the talk on biological differences is that no one really argues for complete equality - What people like me argue for, or better - Ask directly - Is if those supposed differences are sufficient, enough or justifiable to support gender discrimination, double standards, gender roles, and socially accepted prejudice? Which I don't agree with, not to mention these gender roles become complicated when applied to homosexual couples and other people who don't fit the norm.

Hey Daenerys, to support your view, I have a female friend who would kick my ass, and any other guy's, it's hard to think of her strength as being into the gender roles spectrum - Lol

[Chili]

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Fair enough, but you fail to accept that creation occurs only when two opposites meet and for this to yield whatever is sought they must be serious contenders right from the start.

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So you must have noticed then that with the introduction of our gender equal value system, fertility has gone poof and left us stranded with nearly a sterile society in which fertility is promising the next biggest industry in America today.

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Then let me add that when gender equal became the norm they did not raise woman, but reduced her to 'mere' human instead.

At least in my view, woman as female is the greatest gift to mankind and is also responsible for the next generation each generation again and since this movement began has become mediocre at best.

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Uh... have you met the Duggars?

No, and good for them if they are happy with that, but is not really the norm then.

For what it is worth, we have a Catholic family of 24 here (Hemsing family), and that is also not normal. We had 4 boys and then a girl with now 11 grands.

I was pointing more at the fertility problems we seem to have these days, that I predicted when 'gender equal' was first introduced, along with an increase of homosexuals and orientation problems in both males and females. Also ever increasing social structure problems, including violence and murder to the point that parents will be known to kill their own children . . . as opposite to the ideal in which, as the animal man, a woman will die for her child like animals would (in the hypothetic ideal and not because I think they should = not mine to say what others do in their life).

This is simple based on the attraction between polar opposites that brings creation about. And have you noticed that 'mediocre' is more apparent these days with a much longer adolescent period that at one time did not even exist.

[FatAndFaithless]

Chili's posts are absolute poison for my brain.