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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm
Establish that this is more than simply a story and I'll feign interest.
Incidentally, didn't Ratzinger admit that A&E never existed before he got himself booted out of his gold throne?
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 12:27 am
(January 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Incidentally, didn't Ratzinger admit that A&E never existed before he got himself booted out of his gold throne?
Isn't it interesting, the way that one infallible source can come out and contradict a whole series of infallible sources before him, and yet the church maintains that both sets of claims are infallible? 
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 12:57 am
What happens when an unfalsifiable God meets an infallible force?
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 1:04 am
You get a christian apologetic.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 1:44 am
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(January 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Establish that this is more than simply a story and I'll feign interest.
Incidentally, didn't Ratzinger admit that A&E never existed before he got himself booted out of his gold throne?
Oh sry, I am not really a papist as you might call a Catholic. I do not keep track at all.
But A&E never existed as formed. Man was formed and woman was taken from man, and man was created as male-and-female in the plural as androgyne [and still is created that way] with the potential to become either male or female to say. I.e "male and female, he created them" means plural and androgyne. This is the basis for our sex being an illusion and that makes room for our gender identity too.*
The so called 'fall of man" is what engaged the conscious mind = ego awareness, and that second identity is called Adam. This is made known in the shame complex that was not in Gen. 2:25 where they were naked and felt no shame. Then if you go to Gen. 3 after their eyes were opened, it was Lord God (not God) who asked "the" man: where are you? and then they felt naked etc. and then the crucial question came: " who told you that you were naked" and for this an ego awareness is needed and that is what became known as Adam. Eve, then, is the talking serpent in our conscious mind who later became known as Magdalene (who therefore was left in the dark when Jesus died).
The Jews called her temple tramp as the mediatrix between woman and human that in effect would be between our TOL and our TOK. This so would be the basis for the most welcome 'aha' moments when we relax our thinking mode, but also is the basis for LEM (Law of Excluded Middle, that no self contradiction shall remain).
((Take a good look at this sequence in Gen.3:15 where woman will strike at her head and in turn she (my serpent as Eve) will strike at your heel (my Adam here now))).
Of course the Church knows this (they wrote the thing), but they cannot very well say "it is all in your head" because then nobody would come back and that would be the end of them milking the sheep (to just put it that way). This could very well be the reason why Ratzinger got fired, as you suggest, and I really do not know because I do not follow anything that has to do with theology or Rome.
* You must understand that all our senses are an illusion as a result of the [so called] fall, including the light of common day that are just simple airwaves what our TOL transforms into light because knowledge was prior to it/her/woman that we call Panpsychism today.
In the end our temporal life is also an illusion to make eternal life real as also prior to us, that I already wrote belongs to Rome in what they call Christendom.
Judaism is much the same except that they call it Is-ra-el, to mean state-of-mind (one-with-God) and not a piece of land, simply because (but not only) Eu-phrates means 'bright mind.'
So there is no history in the bible, is the first thing that we must accept. Then note that each and every mythology, including the most primitive ones, has a Genesis of its own. The reason for this is to come full circle and then first know who you are, (and there is lots of poetry on this too).
And sry, you are welcome to read what I write, but I will never ask you to believe anything at will. It is just for you to ponder and then do what you like.
Hint, to learn 'woman' look for Isis and Niaratmya in Buddhism and then you will also know what Panpsyshism is about. Then add that she can be known, (which of course is just opposite to Jesus who does not deliver until after you die).
(January 10, 2015 at 12:27 am)Esquilax Wrote: (January 9, 2015 at 11:57 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Incidentally, didn't Ratzinger admit that A&E never existed before he got himself booted out of his gold throne?
Isn't it interesting, the way that one infallible source can come out and contradict a whole series of infallible sources before him, and yet the church maintains that both sets of claims are infallible?
Be careful as infallibility is a necessary condition to proclaim, but is limited to 'in charge of destiny' just as a Freeman would be. I.e. without that proclamation the claim to have saints in heaven can no longer be made.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 2:19 am
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I demand God turns up and puts an end to this speculation. Do it, beardy. If you don't, I'll keep spreading vicious rumours about you and posting funny YouTube videos about what a hideous joke you are.
Ah, me and him have fun, it's an odd relationship. It feels a bit one sided at times.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 2:22 am
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Not gonna happen. Check my last post.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 2:44 am
(January 10, 2015 at 2:19 am)robvalue Wrote: I demand God turns up and puts an end to this speculation. Do it, beardy. If you don't, I'll keep spreading vicious rumours about you and posting funny YouTube videos about what a hideous joke you are.
Ah, me and him have fun, it's an odd relationship. It feels a bit one sided at times.
Speculation? What I write is simple language and is easy to follow. It may be difficult for you to accept, but that really is not my problem.
I will make this easier for you and add that if the first Adam is an illusion, as in you and me, it is easy to see that the second Adam is an illusion also. Then if that is true it makes it much easier to crucify him and walk away from it too.
The problem here now is that we should not worship him if Christ was born in us, as they say (hint: I am born again) and then note that they will die for that too (the Inquisition has shown this to be true). Then if I add that Jesus is the cocoon during what we know as metamorphosis, it is easy to see why I can call them placenta lickers too. Not that I would, but in the image presented here I sure could.
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 2:57 am
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(January 10, 2015 at 2:44 am)Chili Wrote: I will make this easier for you and add that if the first Adam is an illusion, as in you and me, it is easy to see that the second Adam is an illusion also. Then if that is true it makes it much easier to crucify him and walk away from it too.  hock: That is not any easier. I thought I had a handle on all this crap. Now I got two Zombies instead of one, four people inside a trinity, Joseph had an imaginary kid and I cannot figure out who, if anyone, was crucified. And now there are two Adams.
I am glad there is no god. Religion sucks! What is the goal? Just find the craziest story there is so that the belief in god is not so crazy?
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RE: Detecting design or intent in nature
January 10, 2015 at 4:11 am
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(January 10, 2015 at 2:57 am)IATIA Wrote: (January 10, 2015 at 2:44 am)Chili Wrote: I will make this easier for you and add that if the first Adam is an illusion, as in you and me, it is easy to see that the second Adam is an illusion also. Then if that is true it makes it much easier to crucify him and walk away from it too. hock: That is not any easier. I thought I had a handle on all this crap. Now I got two Zombies instead of one, four people inside a trinity, Joseph had an imaginary kid and I cannot figure out who, if anyone, was crucified. And now there are two Adams.
I am glad there is no god. Religion sucks! What is the goal? Just find the craziest story there is so that the belief in god is not so crazy?
Not two zombies. If you call the first Adam a zombie ask yourself why he had 12 shepherds on the go, and each had sheep that they were taking turns herding when Christ was born unto him. This would be where Plato had 12 insights on the run, and as he was examining each one of them because they had lost their glow (shine) for him, he wanted to know what is wrong with them. And as he was dividing and slicing and bifurcating to get to the bottom of what was wrong with them a new glow came to rest on him. This is what put the halo on him to make him the insight he was.
This may all be bullshit to you but if words mean anything, in his 12th Epistle you can read, I think, that the proper words here are synousia and syzen, with synousia seeing the twelve as what Matthew and Mark would be all about, while not being one with the twelve as in Syzen what Luke and John are all about. This would be where synousia is not in function as parousia would be, wherefore so now you must be crucified and raised before hell on earth comes about as syn-ousia would have us know. This is what Matthew and mark tell us too = only Par-ousia leads to Syzen.
Yes, 4 quarters, two in the TOL and 2 in the TOK = 4 in the clock that tells the same story to us. Of these only 3 are for real with Eve being the well balanced temple tramp in between, and therefore has nothing to lose.
Mythmakers design this because if the reward in heaven is ten-fold , complexity of the mythology holds the promise of wisdom to expand at a much faster rate (also 10 fold), on top of which the iota in function is like a turbo charger for Rome that the Eastern rite denied and therefore expanded slower than Rome. Opposite this is it more stable than Rome and is back in its 'silver age' again, so they say.
And don't forget that these myth-makes are not like televangelists today.
To wit, and insight is a telic vision that puts stripes on our shoulders and therefore has sheep to show for.
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