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46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
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46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/02/world/...?hpt=hp_t1

I had no intention to turn this into a religious debate until I read this. Batshit crazy!

Quote:He acknowledges the struggles these Mawar Sharon members, not to mention scores of other families, are facing. They may not understand why the plane went down. They may have trouble waiting for definitive word that their loved ones have been recovered, if that ever happens. And, despite their fervent faith, they might not grasp God's role in all of it.

Bunarto says, "Some things that happen in our lives, sometimes we just don't understand what God really intends."

That doesn't mean they lose faith.

According to the pastor, "We just put our trust -- everything, completely -- in his will. Because he's going to bring everything (that is) the best in our life."

They will never learn.
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RE: 46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
(January 2, 2015 at 4:57 pm)Forsaken Wrote: They will never learn.

Try to walk in their shoes for a moment. If it helps them to deal with their loss, so what?
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RE: 46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
Quote:Bunarto says, "Some things that happen in our lives, sometimes we just don't understand what God really intends."
Someone needs to learn how to A/S/K!!!
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RE: 46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
If you set the bar low enough, you can prove God exists even when he doesn't.

I would think if God had a plan, he could achieve whatever weird stuff he has in mind without inflicting massive suffering in the process.
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RE: 46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
God's way of saying "fuck you."
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RE: 46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
Unfortunately believers don't see it that way, it is how the douchebag shows his love, by testing them and their faith.
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RE: 46 members of a Christian denomination were on ill-fated AirAsia flight
(January 2, 2015 at 5:00 pm)abaris Wrote: Try to walk in their shoes for a moment. If it helps them to deal with their loss, so what?

How Can I Trust a God Who Let's Bad Things Happen? How can I lean on someone I can't find?

When I said that they will never learn, I was referring to that pastor in the news item. Try to read between the lines, smarty pants!
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