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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 7, 2015 at 7:48 pm
It tickles the brain a bit and it's even pretty, so yes.
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 8, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Art saves lives.
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 8, 2015 at 10:35 pm
(January 7, 2015 at 7:17 pm)abaris Wrote: (January 7, 2015 at 7:14 pm)Ryantology (╯°◊°)╯︵ ══╬ Wrote: A fancy sandwich is art.
Well, if the sole intent is to gobble it down, I would draw the line at that.
I'm not sure that would be the sole intent. Granted, we're not going to go to Jersey Mike's for an Italian sub and just look at it. But the company needs to figure out good ways to assemble their food so that it looks appetizing. The eyes will meet the sub before the mouth does, if it even does.
Relatedly, Food Network has had all these cake baking contests on TV. They are meant to be edible (if not likely mass-produced) and need to look "pretty".
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 12:37 am
Food can totally be art.
Watch the movie Chocolat and tell me it can't. Actually, I don't care, I just like watching Johnny Depp lick chocolate off his fingertips.
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 7:00 am
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I find cooking to be a creative endeavor. If I'm trying something new I'll generally scan through a few favorite recipes online and then think about what we have on hand (unless I have time to shop) and then toss in or leave out to suit myself.
The wife is always telling me to write down recipes but I can't imagine why. She wouldn't cook and I wouldn't follow it anyway.
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Not sure how to make this post but it is a photo of a bunch of snowmen heads like those on Easter Island standing guard in someone's front yard. Is it art? It is at least amusing, seems worthy of a photography museum show to me.
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 7:34 am
(January 9, 2015 at 7:00 am)whateverist Wrote: I find cooking to be a creative endeavor. If I'm trying something new I'll generally scan through a few favorite recipes online and then think about what we have on hand (unless I have time to shop) and then toss in or leave out to suit myself.
The wife is always telling me to write down recipes but I can't imagine why. She wouldn't cook and I wouldn't follow it anyway.
That perfectly resembles my approach to cooking. I've had the experience that slavishly following instructions can lead to desaster anyways, and keeping a creative intuitive attitude is better. The variability of ingredients and equipment is too great.
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm
Toured an art museum a few years ago with a small group of friends. While I enjoyed the random modern pieces (the gigantic electrical plug !!!) there really wasn't any I'd want in my home or backyard.
Use of varied materials in new ways was engrossing. And even the building itself seemed to show considerable creativity in it's design.
I wouldn't say 'jumped the shark', as strictly speaking, isn't that for when a show loses it's creativity and gets stupid and repetitive and ludicrous ?
I didn't see anything like that at the museum.
Now, if the topic had used the word 'degenerate' . . . . . .
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm
Not enough choices in the poll. How about "Both modern and classical art have good and bad?"
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 8:02 pm
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(January 9, 2015 at 6:44 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Now, if the topic had used the word 'degenerate' . . . . . .
I didn't exactly want to Godwin my own thread in the title, if you know what I mean.... That word is forever spoiled to me except in the technical context of mathematics.
(January 9, 2015 at 7:41 pm)GalacticBusDriver Wrote: Not enough choices in the poll. How about "Both modern and classical art have good and bad?"
First of all, hello GBD!
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RE: Has art jumped the shark after WWI?
January 9, 2015 at 8:30 pm
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I think both old and new art are good (and bad) in different ways. Yes to a lot of people new art might look like squiggly lines, but I find some of it has really nice geometrical patterns and form. It's a lot more personal and expressive too, and creative.
I do like the conventionality and "beauty" of older art though, as well as the realistic style of it. I find it has less variety though, it seems like a lot of old artwork is either a religious painting, a landscape or a portrait of some rich white dude. It lacks the diversity modern art has.
I do think there's a cut-off point to what "art" is though, I'm sensible with that. some of these modern... creations, are not art. I can't remember her name, but there's that one "artist" who just took a photo of a pile of trash next to a bed, and apparently that is "art" just because some critic says it is. I don't agree with that, the really outlandish modern stuff like a big ash tray full of cigarette butts or a shark with weird spots on it, I don't see how that's "art", or even creative.
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