How would you regard good evidence for a God you don't now believe in?

[Whateverist]

Thank you, i shut up after this magnificent answer

But I never thought you were out to proselytize, were you? You seem like someone who is as against cock-sure atheism as you are cock-sure fundamentalism. For many of us here, atheism isn't such a big thing. We haven't been overly traumatized and we don't begrudge people their pet beliefs. Of course some people were put through the wringer so expect a few jabs too.

[Mudhammam]

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When you read everything they SAID ABOUT Jezus, he seemed to talk about 'some father', seldomly about God as such. The only parable he exlained himself would be the one of with the seads (= good words, word God even there could be meaning 'good') that mostly die in infurtile grounds. Jezus did NOT want to become famous, and in a beginning sentence "that Jezus got more and more loved by men" i also see that he used to be less lovely when he was a small kid and more pure in wisdom and thinking when he got older.

Whether Jezus was a myth or a real person, what we have is 'second hand', and a lot can have been setup (Jews eg. believe that another Jew Joseph paid to let him take away out of the grave so it is even not sure whether he 'survived' his crusification, but that can also be 'an arranged' item, we do not know).

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I have no idea who or what Jesus was or did in the circle of cultists that came to be understood as "orthodox" or "traditional" Christianity. We have a one-sided picture of what Christianity looked like in the middle of the first century and we know it was multifaceted because that one side says as much. The figure in Paul known as Jesus Christ (Yahweh saves/anointed one) is earlier than the Jesus that taught and performed miracles in public, and I'm inclined to believe the former Jesus is a celestial myth beginning to be vulgarly understood for a practical, individual faith, whereas the earthly myth of Jesus later developed in the Gospels represents ideas already taught in churches early in their growth, placed in the mouth of the new fully created celestial-earthly synthesis of a figure Jesus. Whether or not a crucified man who resembles anything in such pictures is doubtful, and of really little importance except for those who came to identify with the Roman church and its familiar sects.

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But the things they "say he said" (pffft, dangerous stuff), sound very wise, for most persons so wise that it did not seem normal anymore.

I knew a lot of persons who told me such wise things from a small kid, but now, as we get older, we have to take the wisdom 'over'.

You can name me atheist, or religious. Mostly when people combine such things to "what i say" (not to what i do!), they do it for there OWN profit, because they deistic or because they think they're atheistic.

i am also a journalist, when people would love what i say, i would give me the idea i would be telling the wrong things. When they do not like what i see (as Charlie Hebdo), then you have a bigger 'chance/rating', you dear to tell 'more' truth (who ones truth?) and not wat people normally want to hear (facebook got very fundamentalistic, this will be a new book this month of mine, i hope).

Evi - dence (document, prove, obviousness, testification) comes from (classic Latin): ex + videntem whereby ex = "fully, out off" and videntem comes from nominativ videns (present participle of videre) = seen:

so evidence = like it can be fully seen from all sides leaving no doubt left nor darkness.

Nothing can be fully seen... everything has a dark (in Star Wars they mean with dark "with emotion, not good or bad as such", i learned from my son) side.

For some the love between man and wife is so extraourdinary it makes 'evidence' for them that a God or God exists.

But then we do not talk about evidence, but about recognizing, i presume...

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I'm not sure exactly if you're still responding to me, but I do think Jesus said many wise things in the same that way that Musaeus of Athens did. The God-man Jesus represented, at least his significance mostly lies in performing the same mechanism, that Wisdom or Logos did to the Jews or Greeks, and he's seen to be identified with them. The difference is that Jesus was also represented as a man, and became a personal force for each individual that could speak the language and feel a connection with the "Good News." A brilliant, original invention that probably started with Hellenistic Jews, most notably Paul and the writer of Mark's Gospel, and the "Brothers of the Lord" in Jerusalem perhaps led by a James, and not a carpenter's son from an unknown farm or village called Nazareth.

[fr0d0]

followed by eternal damnation of course.