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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 6:08 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2015 at 6:18 pm by Drich.)
If you decide to join the military, then bully for you. At the same time you signed on to go where ever the civilian leadership tells you to go. In this country sport, it is the 'dunderheads' who put those civilian leaders in office. That means if the majority of the Dunderheads thinks as I do your ass will go where ever and do whatever your told, or we will not need your services anymore. Why? Because it the FRIGGEN job you signed up for! Do your job, like every one else!
Do you think you choices in life afford you anymore say than anyone else? If you do I've got some harsh news for you. You don't. Your efforts in the military gives you as much say as my own outside the military in the directions and policies of this country. ( you get one vote just like I get one vote) If you don't like where or what the military is doing then when it is time, quit. No one is making you stay. I'm sure the military will make it without you.
That said
I showed/ shared your post with my uncle (Air Force combat vet from Vietnam) who has had 2 f-4's shot out from under him as he was laying down radar cover for b-52's in an unarmed jet, He said you had a quite impressive chest full of 'ribbons.'
You have a south west Asia and short tour (reservist) ribbon. Small arms proficiency, and a general training ribbon, and a general unit citation. Couple that with your firefighters badge, he said you were probably one of the guys who pumped or processed jet fuel somewhere between where the navy drops it off to the planes being fueled on the ground. The reason he said that was "everyone with a pulse who passed basic got those same ribbons in that unit during that particular deployment"
He also wanted me to tell you: 'he appreciates you putting your life on the line pumping gas and acting like an offended POW who has had two planes shot out from underneath him in actual combat, Just so you can Look like a hero on some stupid web site. You make your country, and all the real soldiers who's backs your standing on to make your point, real proud!'
(January 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (January 18, 2015 at 5:15 pm)Drich Wrote: No point just wanted to test the water.
Do you realize how absurd this is? No, of course you don't.
Did you think you'd just make a thread and say some stupid ass shit, baiting us into, what---saying you shouldn't say stupid ass shit? Well, Drich, you should stop saying stupid ass shit. There.
Guess what, that is not a hamper on your freedom of speech. Not even a little. Freedom of speech doesn't mean we all just say what we want to an no one says anything back. Freedom of speech just means that people don't harm you, threaten to harm you, or detain you based on the things you say, so long as those things don't put others in immediate danger (yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater, or "Bomb" on a plane.)
If you say stupid ass shit, as is your wont, then you will continue to be called out.
I was t baiting anyone. I was looking to see if free speech went past making fun of religion.
Again in France after the Hebdo murders, France jailed muslim citizens for simply saying they supported the act. Being jailed for verbally supporting a terrorist act is not the same as committing it. These people were jailed for simply saying they supported the Charlie Hebdo murders.
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 6:48 pm
(This post was last modified: January 18, 2015 at 7:13 pm by Nope.)
First of all, who said that military people shouldn't go where their country wanted them to go? No person who joins the military is ignorant of the fact that they might be called on to give their lives or kill someone; however, it is hard to understand how anyone could be so nonchalant about the potential loss of so many lives. War should always be a last resort. The death of soldiers doesn't just affect the individual soldier but his loved ones also. In the case of children, it can be pretty shattering to realize that your parent died in a war that most people consider unnecessary.
You wanted to talk about France's freedom of speech laws but the way that you started this thread is guaranteed to start a conversation about anything but free speech.
Drich, sometimes I believe that you are secretly one of the best trolls ever.
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 7:20 pm
(January 18, 2015 at 6:48 pm)Nope Wrote: First of all, who said that military people shouldn't go where their country wanted them to go? No person who joins the military is ignorant of the fact that they might be called on to give their lives or kill someone; however, it is hard to understand how anyone could be so nonchalant about the potential loss of so many lives. War should always be a last resort. The death of soldiers doesn't just affect the individual soldier but his loved ones also. In the case of children, it can be pretty shattering to realize that your parent died in a war that most people consider unnecessary.
You wanted to talk about France's freedom of speech laws but the way that you started this thread is guaranteed to start a conversation about anything but free speech.
Drich, sometimes I believe that you are secretly one of the best trolls ever. The way I started this thread was an assault on France for hypocritically flying the banner of free speech when in fact they seem to only value it when it is against religion. i wanted to see how deep this all went. If support of France's decision to jail those speaking out against the goverment in the name of religion was bothering anyone, or if they felt it justified in jailing those who supported their religion over the state.
This is a very slippery slope. Once people start down this path I dont know how we will ever recover from it.
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 7:32 pm
Secular schmecular
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 7:36 pm
When in France......
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 7:45 pm
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 8:08 pm
(January 18, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Drich Wrote: The way I started this thread was an assault on France for hypocritically flying the banner of free speech when in fact they seem to only value it when it is against religion. i wanted to see how deep this all went. If support of France's decision to jail those speaking out against the goverment in the name of religion was bothering anyone, or if they felt it justified in jailing those who supported their religion over the state.
This is a very slippery slope. Once people start down this path I dont know how we will ever recover from it.
Your continued re-defining of terms in order to always be the martyr is so tiring.
In my opinion, France should never jail someone over words. This is, however, comparing America's free speech laws to France's, which are less widespread. I agree that all countries should protect free speech fully, but the fact is they don't.
But to say that they only value free speech when it is against religion is blatantly dishonest, and I think you know it, but will never admit it. They didn't value free speech when it went against the state's interest, or at the very least they set a threshold of intolerant speech that could be punished by law, but to say that the only free speech that is protected in France is anti-religious speech is just dense. But, then, why would I expect anything different from you?
For starters, France's free speech laws don't protect hate speech. Those are the LAWS of that country. I maintain that those laws shouldn't exist, but I don't live there so I don't get a say. The comic in question had been charged 38 times before for violating those pre-existing laws, this was just the latest incidence, timed by the comic purposefully. Nevertheless, you break the laws---whether you disagree with them or not---you risk going to jail.
So France's laws are hypocritical. But their enacting and upholding those laws is not.
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 8:15 pm
(January 17, 2015 at 9:46 pm)Drich Wrote: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...sacre.html
They say that the countries that France colonized are the ones who are freaking out the biggest.
Looks like the United states is not longer the big target on the crazy Islamist list.
Do you think iifle tower has a 767 in its future? Or being France do you think a 'dirty' bomb would be how the terrorist respond?
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 8:55 pm
In the past, Charlie Hebdo had also gotten in trouble with the French government for publishing its cartoons
Quote:The restrictions on freedom of speech go well beyond those in the US. A former editor of Charlie Hebdo had to defend himself against incitement in 2007 after reprinting cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-eu-30829005
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RE: The frogs kicked over a hornet's nest!
January 18, 2015 at 9:08 pm
(January 18, 2015 at 8:15 pm)ManMachine Wrote: Hide the world's supply of garlic.
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