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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 4, 2015 at 10:31 pm
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(February 4, 2015 at 8:29 pm)Lek Wrote: Your words are meaningless Rhythm. Due to all the failed experiments, science has proven to me that life is non-material. No magic involved. Science isn't in the proving business, I don't think it's very kind of you to blame science for something it had no hand in Lek. Faith faithed this silly little claim for you - whats the problem with owning that?
@ Strider, I suppose I've never thought of contemplating death as facing it - though I have seen people who, when contemplating death - expressed extreme discomfort or uneasiness with the idea...but, when standing at the precipice, were calm as hindu cows. Who knows though, maybe they didn't think they were going to die? On my end, I guess I could chalk it up to growing up with alot of old people - somebody was always dying - then I joined the service......familiarity breeds comfort. I never expected life to be anything -but- finite (for awhile there I actually didn't expect to live as long as I have...which really isn't that long...lol). In any case, I guess I'm just suggesting that people may find death alot easier, when they get to it, then they thought they would before they got there.
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 3:58 am
I would not want to live forever, no matter my physical state.
On a related note, can you imagine how fucking boring it would be to be an omnipotent god? I'd kill myself just to experience something new.
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 4:12 am
I probably wouldn't want to live forever either, but a max of probably 100 years at most, and always under threat of dying sooner? Yeah, that's fucking stupid. Thanks a lot Ptah, you jerk.
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 5:51 am
(February 5, 2015 at 4:12 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: I probably wouldn't want to live forever either, but a max of probably 100 years at most, and always under threat of dying sooner? Yeah, that's fucking stupid. Thanks a lot Ptah, you jerk.
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 6:52 am
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No one knows exactly what happens after we die. So the most logical thing is to assume that whatever you want to happen does indeed happen, until science proves otherwise. Even if you spend your whole life believing it, basing important decisions on it, and die before science disproves your unfalsifiable hypothesis (which is impossible).
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 8:17 am
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(February 4, 2015 at 8:29 pm)Lek Wrote: (February 4, 2015 at 7:44 pm)Chas Wrote: You are making an argument from ignorance. Creating a cell from scratch is beyond our current technology.
Why do you think an identical copy of a living cell would not be living?
I know it's beyond our capabilities. I meant a physical copy. Take the materials that a cell is composed of and put together a physical replica of a cell. Will it live and multiply? No.
There is no reason why it would not live and multiply.
Quote:I am fairly ignorant of science, but one doesn't need to know much to be aware that scientists haven't been able to replicate the conditions that they theorize would be needed to create a living creature from non-living materials.
So? We haven't been able to build a star, either.
Quote:We know what the body is made up of, but we don't know how non-living materials being living beings.
All of the matter that makes your body is non-living.
Quote:Again, why should I not be open to the existence of a force or entity in us that is not physical and which lives on after death?
For one thing, there is no evidence for such a thing.
Quote:If natural sciences can't explain what life is, why should I rely only on science to make my determinations regarding the afterlife?
What do you mean 'explain'? We know quite a bit about life.
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(February 4, 2015 at 7:50 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Human beings don't come from a non-living source, so I guess that means they don't need any of your magic? You're going to need more than "belief" btw, you'll need a hook for your pixiedust to interact with material stuff.
Your words are meaningless Rhythm. Due to all the failed experiments, science has proven to me that life is non-material. No magic involved.
No human has been created except from other living humans. Every living thing on earth came from other living things all the way back to the beginning of life.
Did all of your alleged 'life force' come from that very first living thing?
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 9:15 am
1. Did evolution have a beginning ?
2. Is evolution active now ?
3. Is evolution an earth bound law / theory or is it universal (i.e. could it happen any where in the universe)?
4. How far will evolution evolve life ?
5. Why would the evolutinary process not produce an entity with the properties of what we now call a god ?
6. Would you agree that humans have achieved the ability to change the evolutionary process of natural selection in life forms to something other than natural selection ? 
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 9:17 am
(February 5, 2015 at 9:15 am)JohnTheRevolator Wrote: 1. Did evolution have a beginning ?
2. Is evolution active now ?
3. Is evolution an earth bound law / theory or is it universal (i.e. could it happen any where in the universe)?
4. How far will evolution evolve life ?
5. Why would the evolutinary process not produce an entity with the properties of what we now call a god ?
6. Would you agree that humans have achieved the ability to change the evolutionary process of natural selection in life forms to something other than natural selection ?
So you've copy/pasted the same post in two different threads that are unrelated to both each other and your post. Do you intend on sticking around, or are you actively trying to get banned?
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 9:45 am
(February 5, 2015 at 3:58 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: I'd kill myself just to experience something new.
Bad idea. Our planet is still trying to shake off the infestation of Christians created as a side effect the last time a god did this.
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RE: Atheists: Facing the unfaceable
February 5, 2015 at 11:51 am
(February 5, 2015 at 9:15 am)JohnTheRevolator Wrote: 1. Did evolution have a beginning ?
Yes, it began with the first life form.
Quote:2. Is evolution active now ?
It will be active as long as there is life with replicating DNA prone to transcription errors.
Quote:3. Is evolution an earth bound law / theory or is it universal (i.e. could it happen any where in the universe)?
The latter.
Quote:4. How far will evolution evolve life ?
Dunno.
Quote:5. Why would the evolutinary process not produce an entity with the properties of what we now call a god ?
Because two of the commonly understood properties of a god involve the supernatural and universe creation, two things that an evolved entity obviously would not have.
Quote:6. Would you agree that humans have achieved the ability to change the evolutionary process of natural selection in life forms to something other than natural selection ?
Artificial selection is a thing, and has been for centuries; we use it routinely in farming and agriculture.
Now, what was all this in aid of?
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