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(February 26, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: All religions are volcanos, some are simply currently more dormant while others are currently more active.
Yeah that is my own POV of it but playing devils advocate i only really like the original teachings of Buddhism but when it comes to abrahamic religions that's just a no. Seeing as it is with Islam and other religions like it including christianity i wouldn't touch it.
(February 26, 2015 at 1:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: All religions are volcanos, some are simply currently more dormant while others are currently more active.
Yeah that is my own POV of it but playing devils advocate i only really like the original teachings of Buddhism but when it comes to abrahamic religions that's just a no. Seeing as it is with Islam and other religions like it including christianity i wouldn't touch it.
Yea but again, whatever you like about Buddhism can be found outside of Buddhism with different words, even in fiction and drama and movies. There is nothing new under the sun.
(February 26, 2015 at 1:57 pm)dyresand Wrote: Yeah that is my own POV of it but playing devils advocate i only really like the original teachings of Buddhism but when it comes to abrahamic religions that's just a no. Seeing as it is with Islam and other religions like it including christianity i wouldn't touch it.
Yea but again, whatever you like about Buddhism can be found outside of Buddhism with different words, even in fiction and drama and movies. There is nothing new under the sun.
(February 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lots of atheists and Buddhists like to claim Buddhism is atheistic. That is no different than claiming Jews can be atheists. Yes you can find Jews who like the religion and the rituals who don't believe in a god.
Judaism is not only a religion, but also a culture and an ethnicity. That is why there are atheist Jews.
As for Buddhism --- it is possible to follow the philosophy without believing in any deity ---- but if Buddhism is *traditionally* atheistic, there are lots of traditional Buddhist teachers who haven't got the memo.
(February 26, 2015 at 12:35 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Lots of atheists and Buddhists like to claim Buddhism is atheistic. That is no different than claiming Jews can be atheists. Yes you can find Jews who like the religion and the rituals who don't believe in a god.
Judaism is not only a religion, but also a culture and an ethnicity. That is why there are atheist Jews.
As for Buddhism --- it is possible to follow the philosophy without believing in any deity ---- but if Buddhism is *traditionally* atheistic, there are lots of traditional Buddhist teachers who haven't got the memo.
Um no, Jew is a religion. Sammy Davis Jr was Jewish and hardly the same skin tone as most Jews. Religions are geographical. Our skin tones and face shapes are a result of evolution. Those shapes and tones are because of our DNA, they do not prevent us however, from migrating and mixing and adapting different social norms.
(February 26, 2015 at 2:56 am)snowtracks Wrote: Agree, it does say 6 literal days (Yom in Hebrew); however; context is important. Genesis is definition 4 which is 'literal'. Like I mentioned, Day 7 is at least 50,000 years and counting. http://sententias.org/2013/11/21/the-mea...in-hebrew/ - "The four definitions are 1) a portion of the daylight hours (2) the entire daylight segment of a twenty-four-hour day, (3) a twenty-four-hour day, and (4) a long but finite time period. - Unlike the modern Hebrew and English, biblical Hebrew had no other word for a finite era or epoch. The four definitions of YOM are literal definitions"
That is a relatively new tactic over the past 150 years, when called out you re interpret the words. Sorry it was 6 literal days. When Darwin blew the creation story out of the water, believers got scared of that truth and have since tried to either attack evolution or have tried to square it with their antiquated comic book.
But, if we are to insist on wading through your comic book, and pretend. I find it absurd for an all powerful god to "poof" the entire universe into existence, then suddenly have a problem compiling a a book having to resort to using humans to write it only to have them argue over it's meaning. I wouldn't hire your alleged god to run a bicycle factory. The bikes would end up with squid for spokes and the workers would murder over the words in the assembly manual.
No sorry, I cannot take seriously a book that claims humans magically popped out of dirt, a book that claims women popped out of a mans rib. A book that treats the sun and moon as separate sources of light. A book depicting talking snakes and talking bushes. Or are you going to deny those depictions as well?
FYI the Hebrews stole their characters from the Canaanites. Yahweh was a lesser god in their polytheism. Hebrews simply were a splinter sect who managed to market their new sect and elevated that lesser god character to a monotheistic god.
You are not the only believer or the only religion when science calls you out to go from attacking science to attempting to co opt science to prop up your antiquated book of myth. I have been at this for 14 years and seen this same tactic from Christians, Jews, Muslims and even a couple of Hindus.
How about you considering you got sold a bill of goods? You really want me to believe that the people who wrote that back then had the same modern knowledge we have now? I find it much more reasonable that you simply like what you believe and are fishing for excuses to cling to it.
You will not find in any of those books of Abraham, words like "entropy", "thermodynamics" much less any modern math or modern science that would demonstrate they had a working knowledge of reality. It was a book written by scientifically ignorant humans who didn't know any better and it was a book reflecting the superstitions and social norms that were popular back then, nothing more.
Isn't that the way it goes? Subject is the interpretation of the Genesis days, and what I get is a rambling editorial on societal ills..., or Whatever. Adjunct: The 14 years = two-cents.
Atheist Credo: An universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.
February 28, 2015 at 3:54 pm (This post was last modified: February 28, 2015 at 3:54 pm by robvalue.)
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(February 26, 2015 at 4:34 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, Jew is a religion. Sammy Davis Jr was Jewish and hardly the same skin tone as most Jews. Religions are geographical. Our skin tones and face shapes are a result of evolution. Those shapes and tones are because of our DNA, they do not prevent us however, from migrating and mixing and adapting different social norms.
Brian --- I am aware that many people today are accustomed to a paradigm by which religion, culture, and ethnicity are neatly partitioned from one another ---- but not every societal entity fits this paradigm. There is a such thing as Jewish religion --- but there is also a such thing as Jewish culture and society that, while related to the religion, is not synonymous to it. It includes to many persons, not all of whom follow the religion. It exists and is quite real.
As for Jewish ethnicity -- that is a real thing too. Once a doctor mentioned my Jewishness on my medical profile. I asked her why it is relevant ---- and she gave a very detailed answer -- that boiled down to the fact that Jewish ethnicity is a very real thing - and as with any ethnicity, has it's generic conditions and quirks -- and is well enough documented that care providers need to be aware of it. It to is related to Jewish society and culture, and by that proxy to the religion as well -- but it is synonymous to neither.
Now, I know that there is a good chance that *someone* will employ the Slippery Slope proxy of the False Dilemma fallacy to bolster a Straw Man against what I am saying. Let's face it, too many people view this thread for me to bet against it. But that possibility is hereby anticipated.
