Here's A Dilemma

[Mudhammam]

[dyresand]

Meh I'm neutral to this, I wouldn't deny someone a job because of a headscarf but it depends on the job. I'm surprised christians are siding with their primary enemies. It's ironic how conservative side with everyone when it's convenient

Only because its a religious matter otherwise they wouldn't care.

[Ravenshire]

Nestor I agree with you but how much freedom do business owners have? What if I thought beards were inappropriate? Or red ties? See where I'm going? I think if a business is going to forbid wearing certain pieces of clothing there needs to be a justification of why it's necessary and impacts profit.

Yep. That's why no-one in any professional environments would ever dream of banning blue-jeans.

Er... Wait...

Oops.

[Losty]

Hmmm....if the Supreme Court sides with the Muslim woman...will hooters also be required to hire women in hijab?

[rexbeccarox]

Businesses have dress codes, and they also have uniforms. I had a job once where I had to wear a specific brand and cut of black pants, a specific brand and cut of oxford shirt, specific shoes, stud-diamond earrings, and my hair had to be worn a specific way. I've also had jobs where I've had guidelines, which included no headwear. Businesses in most societies, IMO, absolutely should have the right to tell their employees how to dress, as employees absolutely have the right not to take a job there.

[Surgenator]

Businesses have dress codes, and they also have uniforms. I had a job once where I had to wear a specific brand and cut of black pants, a specific brand and cut of oxford shirt, specific shoes, stud-diamond earrings, and my hair had to be worn a specific way. I've also had jobs where I've had guidelines, which included no headwear. Businesses in most societies, IMO, absolutely should have the right to tell their employees how to dress, as employees absolutely have the right not to take a job there.

Were you part of the men in black?

[Thumpalumpacus]

Discrimination my arse. All jobs have certain requirements regarding the attire you can or cannot wear. If they don't think a head scarf is appropriate for the job, don't wear it, or they have every right to find someone else who will comply with the rules.

The problem is that she asked in advance, was told yes, based on the fact that a couple of Jewish employees were permitted to wear yarmulkes working in the same district.

If religious wear is acceptable for one sect, so long as it doesn't interfere with the employee's duties, should it not be available to all?

[Mudhammam]

The problem is that she asked in advance, was told yes, based on the fact that a couple of Jewish employees were permitted to wear yarmulkes working in the same district.

If religious wear is acceptable for one sect, so long as it doesn't interfere with the employee's duties, should it not be available to all?

To me the fact that it's religious has very little to do with it. I look at it as the person who makes the rules for the work place should be able to determine how they want their employees to dress. Do I think some religious symbols should be allowed and others not? Well not personally---my position is essentially that work and religion shouldn't mix, but in terms of policy I think that should be entirely left up to the owner. I should be clear that I don't think any employer should be allowed to discriminate against a person's religious beliefs when hiring, nor their gender or their sexual orientation---I just can't see how enforcing a dress code is remotely the same thing.

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Hmmm....if the Supreme Court sides with the Muslim woman...will hooters also be required to hire women in hijab?

Stop turning me on!!!!

[Pizza]

Hooters' girls in hijabs sounds kinky. I like it.

[pocaracas]

If the dress code requirement is directly related to job-related hazards or would endanger the health or safety of the employee, I am all on the side of the business. For example, requiring men to be clean-shaven (or at most a mustache) in a workplace that requires respirators, either as regular use or in cases of emergency; forbidding robes or flowing fabric in workplaces with machinery where such apparel could get caught and endanger the employee; headgear that interferes with the proper fit and function of safety helmets, etc.

If the dress code requirement is entirely aesthetic, then I would side with the employee and require the business to demonstrate that allowing the employee to violate the dress code would be a substantial burden on the company.

In the case of the Abercrombie employee, there doesn't appear to be any health and safety related reasons that she cannot wear a hijab, it seems to be an aesthetic thing, so I would side with the employee until such time as A&F demonstrates that allowing her to wear a head covering would harm the business.

CM, Let's say I'm straight out of law school, top of the class, super memory for all the law's caveats and so on.
I apply for a position at a law firm, they like my CV and set up an interview.
I show up wearing jeans and a t-shirt. Will they hire me? (NO)
Is there any health and safety hazard? (NO)
Is it an aesthetic thing? (YES)
Would it harm the business if I wore jeans and t-shirt to work? (Depends on the customer)

That said, what is the target audience for this Abercrombie? Is it conservative, or, as someone said, raunchy?
If it is conservative, then I agree that the woman should be hired as she would be upholding conservative values by wearing that thing on her head and showing her respect for her cultural heritage (note I didn't say religion the hijab is not a religious item, as far as I'm concerned)
If the store caters to young liberal slutty women, then the staff must act and dress accordingly.
It seems the store has a dress code and that code disallows the covering of the hair. Knowing this, why would that woman go to the job interview wearing something in defiance of the established dress code?