Porn

[Aractus]

As I've mentioned before, moral issues aside, porn raises several very real concerns - including public health (my current area of study), as well as the cost to performers. I enjoyed this video, see what you think:

http://youtu.be/f3hZyQgLQvg

For the record the porn actress above has already attempted suicide on more than one occasion.

In 2013 an actress by the pseudonym of "Cameron Bay" contracted HIV on a set in which her partner's penis, whom it's presumed she contracted the virus from, was bleeding.

http://youtu.be/He7sBq5ScIk

Max Hardcore: "I like using brand new girls. And for the most part I do. And the reason is when you use a brand new girl it's fresh, and she hasn't yet learned the fatal word that you never want to hear on a set, and that is 'no'."

He then goes on to explain more about why he refuses to work with regular pornstars and only works with fresh girls that are easier to exploit, that don't know how to say no, and that don't know what the expectations of them are allowing him to dictate the terms.

And in no uncertain terms, he dresses them in children's clothing, has them say on camera "I'm 12 years old", gags them, throatfucks them until they vomit, and the list goes on. Now let's just talk about two things: vomit, and "I'm 12 years old". In every 1st world country in the world, except the USA, deliberately depicting rape is illegal, and deliberately depicting a performer as under-age - regardless of their actual age - is classed as child pornography. Rob Black was recently convicted for obscenity relating to his pornographic depictions of rape. He reportedly reached out to Larry Flint when he was running low on cash for his legal defence and Flint told him he could get fucked.

Max Hardcore has also been prosecuted and convicted for obscenity, and has served time in prison.

Now I want to remind you guys that although the content is legal in the USA - it's illegal here in Australia, in the UK, in Germany, in most of Europe (except perhaps France), it's illegal in every civilised first-world country.

http://youtu.be/E9yp7hh_374

Look at the above video where you can see a couple of loud-mouth yanks defending rape-fantasy pornography!? WTF??!? Do these people really have such a limited world-view that they can't even appreciate the fact that every other country bans that kind of content?

Now drug issues aside, pornographic actors have much higher STI rates than that of the general population. Due to this condoms were made mandatory in LA, yet the law has (as far as my information is concerned) not been enforced, and furthermore the producers are willingly ignoring their responsibilities to ensure their actors are using them.

The USA is very backwards in a lot of ways. An awful lot. All the media attention given to the Bali drug smugglers here would not fly there since the USA is one of the only first-world countries not to have abolished the death penalty (China of course counts in its own right as well - I don't want to for a second say they don't, but they aren't a democracy). In the 1970's, the overwhelming majority of Christians and the majority of the general population in the UK supported the death penalty - even as it was being dismantled politically. In fact you could even describe it as political-suicide at the time. Yet now they emphatically say they don't believe in it; it's not until it's actually gone that people realise that they were better off without it.

As for pornography, I'm not suggesting for a second it should be banned. Denmark invented child pornography and bestiality porn in the 1970's. Much of what the USA produces today is much worse than that. Worse in terms of health and safety, in terms of the well-being and mental stability of the performers, worse in terms of the objectification of women, worse in just about every single way. And yes, they even have porn as already discussed that classifies as child pornography in most other countries that is actively produced.

[Cato]

The USA is very backwards in a lot of ways. An awful lot. All the media attention given to the Bali drug smugglers here would not fly there since the USA is one of the only first-world countries not to have abolished the death penalty (China of course counts in its own right as well - I don't want to for a second say they don't, but they aren't a democracy). In the 1970's, the overwhelming majority of Christians and the majority of the general population in the UK supported the death penalty - even as it was being dismantled politically. In fact you could even describe it as political-suicide at the time. Yet now they emphatically say they don't believe in it; it's not until it's actually gone that people realise that they were better off without it.

At first this paragraph seemed a little out of place considering the main thread topic until I considered your penchant for America bashing. Curious comparison to second world China.

The Bali 9 case is being covered by all major outlets here. If there's a disparity in the intensity of coverage my guess would be that it has more to do with the fact that none of those accused are American nationals.

Are you aware that 18 of our 50 states prohibit the death penalty? Several other states have de facto prohibitions. Five states are responsible for 65.2% of the executions since 1976; 11 - 86%. This should provide some context for your generalization. The only crime for which the death penalty is allowed is aggravated murder, so even us backwards yanks would find executing someone for drug smuggling extremely odd.

I have two problems with the death penalty; neither has anything to do with some feel good sense of moral superiority suggesting that it is inherently wrong to execute somebody for this crime. The fact that innocent people have been exonerated from death row and the extreme racial bias in death sentencing are the reasons I think the practice should be outlawed. Consider the recent case where a man in NC gunned down three young adults. I think it would be just to execute this man, but still would not advocate for the death penalty in order to render the system as just as possible.

[Nope]

How do the laws differ in regard to the production of porn in each country? This might be a stupid question but are people in the adult film business in the USA less knowledgable about their rights than similar actresses and actors from other countries?

[dyresand]

The mental implications and damage is too high considering what it does to people. And after seeing that first video it only goes to confirm what i think about porn.
Yes people like porn but no one thinks of the people really behind it and how those people are in their real lives.

[Losty]

Look at the above video where you can see a couple of loud-mouth yanks defending rape-fantasy pornography!? WTF??!? Do these people really have such a limited world-view that they can't even appreciate the fact that every other country bans that kind of content?

How is what every other country does relevant. Tell why rape fantasy porn is bad. Tell why it should be banned. "Because everyone else bans it" is a shitty reason.

[Esquilax]

Max Hardcore: "I like using brand new girls. And for the most part I do. And the reason is when you use a brand new girl it's fresh, and she hasn't yet learned the fatal word that you never want to hear on a set, and that is 'no'."

Gaah, that's a skin-crawly quote. I'm for porn generally, but there's no excuse for approaching it like that. That's just predatory.

Look at the above video where you can see a couple of loud-mouth yanks defending rape-fantasy pornography!? WTF??!? Do these people really have such a limited world-view that they can't even appreciate the fact that every other country bans that kind of content?

Hmm, see, I dunno that this line of argument is particularly compelling. "Other countries ban it," doesn't mean that it's bad, it just means that other countries ban it. Heinous laws can be widespread, we can't just assume that laws are necessarily morally correct.

As to rape fantasy pornography... I'm pretty okay with it. But then, I had lengthy periods of growth where I learned to channel and deal with my sexuality in a constructive manner, which other people don't necessarily have. It's just a fantasy, one that a lot of people have; if porn of it is made in a safe, sane and consensual manner, I don't really see why it's a problem. In fact, I find it weird that depictions of rape in film are okay, even when they're filmed in such a way as to be eroticized, but the moment the same scenes are made with an explicit intent to titillate, suddenly it's a problem?

[Dystopia]

I think the sex industry will always be inherently exploitative, specially for women, unless it's strictly regulated.

Abuses in porn film sessions and reports of former porn stars about pressure, violence and coercion are not rare.

Most women film one or two scenes/shots and bail out of the industry. Why does that happen? It's not out of the blue, it's because the experience isn't pleasant and usually it is extremely humiliating.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for sex work and sex workers having labour rights (and duties by consequence) but without abuse, manipulation and coercion. The average age for entering prostitution in places where it's not regulated is 14 and the average prostitute has a pimp and is raped by him frequently, b sides client abuse. It's something we ought to stop.

Am I wrong? I'm trying to be reasonable between complete liberalization and full prohibition, because wise regulation is the only way we'll prevent the sex industry from becoming corrupt and abusive. Just regulation is not enough, regulation in Holland didn't stop sex trafficking, we need heavy regulations.

I'm in favour of the government running the sex industry fully. Call me a socialist or a statist if you want, but I think it's the only option. Either this or the government closely monitors and inspects every activity from the sex industry. We also need to be careful with price stability to prevent a huge rise in pricing because that would mean less clients and more prostitutes on the street providing services cheaper + Illegal "not so legal" activities

The only reason we are not acting to regulate these industries is because of the religious conception of sexual "morality" and body puritanism. Society sees prostitution and pornography as deeply immoral because sex is monogamous, in marriage and between a man and a woman. We need to get rid of these outdated ideas.

Oh, and I think we should take into account that most sex workers are not there by "choice", I find it curious that if we analyse socio-economic background of sex workers all over the world we end up finding that most of them come from low class and had little opportunities in life. Curiously, people who work in the sex industry are the ones who had less choices, so I wouldn't classify sex working as mostly a choice, despite the fact it sometimes is. Providing opportunities for those who work in the sex industry out of necessity and lack of job opportunities is important.

Aractus, I don't see the problem with rape fantasies and rape porn, as long as it's legal and consented. Obviously I will be against real rape being filmed.

[Nope]

The mental implications and damage is too high considering what it does to people. And after seeing that first video it only goes to confirm what i think about porn.
Yes people like porn but no one thinks of the people really behind it and how those people are in their real lives.

But is she representative of most porn actors and actresses? Have there ever been any studies on the confidence level of people in the adult film industries?

Would such work be degrading because of how we view sex or is there something about sex that makes it more degrading to have sex for money as opposed having any other job?

I think that prostitutes and adult film actors/actresses should have to join unions. Banning it just leaves people in more vulnerable positions because they can't go to the cops.

My mom almost married a man who had a daughter my age. She and I spent a lot of our adolescence together but grew apart because of her drug use. Later, she told me that she had gotten into prostitution. One story she told was that after having oral sex with a man, he told her he was a cop and arrested her when she asked for payment. Her story shocked me but I have since been told that what happened to her has happened to other prostitutes. My friend didn't need to be arrested. What she needed was drug rehabilitation.One of the reasons I would like to see prostitution become legal and regulation is that perhaps it would have made getting help easier for my friend

[Aractus]

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The USA is very backwards in a lot of ways. An awful lot. All the media attention given to the Bali drug smugglers here would not fly there since the USA is one of the only first-world countries not to have abolished the death penalty (China of course counts in its own right as well - I don't want to for a second say they don't, but they aren't a democracy). In the 1970's, the overwhelming majority of Christians and the majority of the general population in the UK supported the death penalty - even as it was being dismantled politically. In fact you could even describe it as political-suicide at the time. Yet now they emphatically say they don't believe in it; it's not until it's actually gone that people realise that they were better off without it.

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At first this paragraph seemed a little out of place considering the main thread topic until I considered your penchant for America bashing. Curious comparison to second world China.

Well to be fair, the USA is the country producing the problem pornography, or at least most of it. They're the modern-day Denmark when it comes to porn. The UK, Australia, even Russia do not produce violent porn - and to my knowledge they can't in any of those places.

Are you aware that 18 of our 50 states prohibit the death penalty? Several other states have de facto prohibitions. Five states are responsible for 65.2% of the executions since 1976; 11 - 86%. This should provide some context for your generalization. The only crime for which the death penalty is allowed is aggravated murder, so even us backwards yanks would find executing someone for drug smuggling extremely odd.

Yes I am but that doesn't change the fact that it's used.

I have two problems with the death penalty; neither has anything to do with some feel good sense of moral superiority suggesting that it is inherently wrong to execute somebody for this crime. The fact that innocent people have been exonerated from death row and the extreme racial bias in death sentencing are the reasons I think the practice should be outlawed. Consider the recent case where a man in NC gunned down three young adults. I think it would be just to execute this man, but still would not advocate for the death penalty in order to render the system as just as possible.

Look as I've mentioned 100 times, the very fact that the USA uses the phrase "racial" or "race relations" shows that they are still stuck in bronze-age mythology. The fact that you've used it shows that you don't get it either. There is not a "racial bias", there's an "ethnic bias" or a "religious bias" or a "cultural bias" or a combination of the three; and then there's also gender bias.

[GrandizerII]

Meh, I prefer amateur porn anyway.