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(March 13, 2015 at 11:42 pm)MilesAbbott81 Wrote: It is these sects today who add fuel to arguments such as yours that say the entire religion is baseless. Why should any of you believe in Christianity, based on the example set by it? It's pure confusion, contradiction and hypocrisy.
Exactly, so tell me, why do you believe in SN 40,001?
Certainly not because the "other sects" inspired me to. I did not come to believe of my own volition, but because it was given to me. As Paul writes:
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
The specifics of how I came to believe would take far too long to write out for you, but I can assure you that there was nothing I or anyone else did that allowed me to believe; it was all God.
I will point out, though, that most Christians think having so many sects isn't an issue. Not sure why, especially given the Scriptures I provided, but that is definitely the case.
But there is only one sect, that is the body of Christ, the true Church.
(March 14, 2015 at 12:09 am)TubbyTubby Wrote: Exactly, so tell me, why do you believe in SN 40,001?
Certainly not because the "other sects" inspired me to. I did not come to believe of my own volition, but because it was given to me. As Paul writes:
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
The specifics of how I came to believe would take far too long to write out for you, but I can assure you that there was nothing I or anyone else did that allowed me to believe; it was all God.
I will point out, though, that most Christians think having so many sects isn't an issue. Not sure why, especially given the Scriptures I provided, but that is definitely the case.
But there is only one sect, that is the body of Christ, the true Church.
You understand that the other 40000 sects will say the same thing.
March 14, 2015 at 1:25 am (This post was last modified: March 14, 2015 at 1:25 am by Pizza.)
(March 14, 2015 at 1:07 am)Surgenator Wrote:
(March 14, 2015 at 12:36 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:
Certainly not because the "other sects" inspired me to. I did not come to believe of my own volition, but because it was given to me. As Paul writes:
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
The specifics of how I came to believe would take far too long to write out for you, but I can assure you that there was nothing I or anyone else did that allowed me to believe; it was all God.
I will point out, though, that most Christians think having so many sects isn't an issue. Not sure why, especially given the Scriptures I provided, but that is definitely the case.
But there is only one sect, that is the body of Christ, the true Church.
You understand that the other 40000 sects will say the same thing.
Of course, but obviously they're wrong because he's right.
It is very important not to mistake hemlock for parsley, but to believe or not believe in God is not important at all. - Denis Diderot
We are the United States of Amnesia, we learn nothing because we remember nothing. - Gore Vidal
I suppose the nice thing about belonging to a sect of one is that there is little danger of schism, and if one did happen there is medicine and therapy to help.
(March 14, 2015 at 1:07 am)Surgenator Wrote: You understand that the other 40000 sects will say the same thing.
I don't believe that is true. As I mentioned above, most Christians seem to think there is no problem with having so many different denominations, despite the aforementioned Scriptures.
There are certain sects who do seem to think they are the only ones who are correct, such as the twelve tribes, seventh day adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, but overall, most Protestant sects accept one another, and many of them aren't even opposed to Catholicism.
But as I've said, there is the truth and there are lies, and it is a relatively simple matter to prove who is in error if one has that truth, as I demonstrated with professor. There can be no contradiction.
(March 14, 2015 at 1:07 am)Surgenator Wrote: You understand that the other 40000 sects will say the same thing.
I don't believe that is true. As I mentioned above, most Christians seem to think there is no problem with having so many different denominations, despite the aforementioned Scriptures.
There are certain sects who do seem to think they are the only ones who are correct, such as the twelve tribes, seventh day adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, but overall, most Protestant sects accept one another, and many of them aren't even opposed to Catholicism.
I've spoken to more than 5 different sects. When I point out the denomination problem, most of the xtians think it is a problem that I've talk to. When I ask them what makes their denomination the correct one, they give me the same internal revelation speech you just did.
So I don't believe your claim that "most Christians seem to think there is no problem with having so many different denominations." And I certainly don't buy your reason on why your version is correct.
(March 14, 2015 at 1:07 am)Surgenator Wrote: You understand that the other 40000 sects will say the same thing.
I don't believe that is true. As I mentioned above, most Christians seem to think there is no problem with having so many different denominations, despite the aforementioned Scriptures.
There are certain sects who do seem to think they are the only ones who are correct, such as the twelve tribes, seventh day adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, but overall, most Protestant sects accept one another, and many of them aren't even opposed to Catholicism.
But as I've said, there is the truth and there are lies, and it is a relatively simple matter to prove who is in error if one has that truth, as I demonstrated with professor. There can be no contradiction.
Christians even argue about how many nails it took to crucify Jesus.
How that advances the Christian agenda is a total fucking mystery.
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
March 14, 2015 at 11:58 am (This post was last modified: March 14, 2015 at 12:01 pm by MilesAbbott81.)
(March 14, 2015 at 11:46 am)Surgenator Wrote: I've spoken to more than 5 different sects. When I point out the denomination problem, most of the xtians think it is a problem that I've talk to. When I ask them what makes their denomination the correct one, they give me the same internal revelation speech you just did.
So I don't believe your claim that "most Christians seem to think there is no problem with having so many different denominations." And I certainly don't buy your reason on why your version is correct.
Thinking it is a problem doesn't necessarily mean they think it's a big enough problem to bring one's salvation into question. There are many, many people who say that as long as one confesses Christ, then that is all that matters. They will most likely quote this verse, as well:
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
EDIT: And yes, I'm saying that confessing Christ means nothing at all, and that most in nominal Christendom are not saved at all (though everyone is saved eventually, so salvation ultimately isn't in question).
Not in the stricter sects like those I mentioned, but in general I've found this to be true.
Where in my logic do you find fault? If the book itself says there can be no contradiction, and I am easily able to contradict these 40,000 sects, yet I can't be contradicted, then one is obviously correct and the others are obviously wrong.
You don't necessarily have to buy into it yourself, but you can at least acknowledge that what I'm saying might be true.
March 14, 2015 at 12:31 pm (This post was last modified: March 14, 2015 at 12:32 pm by Surgenator.)
(March 14, 2015 at 11:58 am)MilesAbbott81 Wrote:
(March 14, 2015 at 11:46 am)Surgenator Wrote: I've spoken to more than 5 different sects. When I point out the denomination problem, most of the xtians think it is a problem that I've talk to. When I ask them what makes their denomination the correct one, they give me the same internal revelation speech you just did.
So I don't believe your claim that "most Christians seem to think there is no problem with having so many different denominations." And I certainly don't buy your reason on why your version is correct.
Thinking it is a problem doesn't necessarily mean they think it's a big enough problem to bring one's salvation into question.
Agreed. But that doesn't show that the xtians don't think its a big enough problem. They all "know" (through revelation) that their version is correct. To them, the people in the other denominations will eventually see the light and join their denomination. Or they'll go to hell.
Quote:EDIT: And yes, I'm saying that confessing Christ means nothing at all, and that most in nominal Christendom are not saved at all (though everyone is saved eventually, so salvation ultimately isn't in question).
And they'll say the same thing about you. It is all a he she said game.
Quote:Where in my logic do you find fault? If the book itself says there can be no contradiction, and I am easily able to contradict these 40,000 sects, yet I can't be contradicted, then one is obviously correct and the others are obviously wrong.
1) Assumption the authors of the book actually wrote no contradictions in it.
2) For some reason the other sects are not buying your arguments. Maybe you're cheery picking the bible, maybe their cheery picking it, most likely both.
3) At no point did you show that your interpretation of the bible verse is the correct interpretation.
4) The bible contradicts on what happened in the past e.g. no global flood, earth came to exist after the stars, etc...
Quote:You don't necessarily have to buy into it yourself, but you can at least acknowledge that what I'm saying might be true.
I only give that concession to people who are willing to do the same. Otherwise, I'm not interested in people preaching to me.
March 14, 2015 at 12:36 pm (This post was last modified: March 14, 2015 at 12:37 pm by robvalue.)
According to Miles, god has decided that Miles will come here and try and convince us, and god decided that he will fail and we won't be convinced. And god decided Miles will be annoyed about that and think we're unreasonable.
Why god wants to do that is unclear. But he'll be punishing me later for my complete lack of choice.
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