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My personnal views on irrationality
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My personnal views on irrationality
Hello, i am new both to Atheism ( coming from a catholic background) and to these forums.
Also, i am french, hence my English is far from perfect, please do not flame me for grammatical mistakes.

I often read about non-believers (as in, no religion) arguing that they believe in some sort of plan, some sort of spiritual universe, that we cannot quite comprehend and that has no real intention or purpose.

I can understand that feeling, first because i feel it too sometimes (weird coincidences for example), and because believing in nothing at all, and only seeing our mortality and purposelessness is a terrifying thought.
However, my point is that believing in something outside of what we can observe and prove is, in short, a slippery slope.

Imagine there is a line, one end of the line is religious fundamentalism, believing in God no matter what, and the other is being almost, but not entirely, sure that there is nothing outside the physical plane. If you are anywhere on that line, there is a chance that you can move on it, either way. My problem is that when believing that there is something outside our world, you can start believing in all kinds of irrational ideas that can be even more dangerous than religion because they go unregulated. It can range from Astrology, to voodoo, to ghosts, to luminescent healing crystals, all the way to sects of all kinds.

Of course, i am sure 99% of non-believers who think/hope that something else exist will NEVER go down that path...however to me this 1% is already too much of a price to pay for the relative safety of placing hopes in irrationality.

This is why i now personally believe in absolutely nothing irrational, to be sure not to be tempted. I consider myself as not on the line at all: that way i am sure never to fall prey to all the bad things irrationality brings.

I hope this does not look too much like someone boasting about how much his view is better than anyone else's, i still have trouble expressing emotions in English...

Any thoughts ?
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#2
RE: My personnal views on irrationality
First of all, I don't think you have anything to worry about where you understanding of English is concerned. If only I could speak French as well. As it is I can count to about 6, say hello and that's about it...

As for me, well, I believe all sorts of weird things, admittedly most of them are to do with quantum physics, string theory, the many worlds theory etc. but still, they are pretty odd and counter intuitive. The problem lies in the belief that somehow there is a reason why things are the way they are and that somehow, humans are important.

Anyway, I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this so better leave it and just say welcome.
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
Yeah, don't worry about the language.....wait till some of the southern bible- thumper types show up...they can't speak English either in spite of being born here.

Religion is about fear. Specifically fear of the unknown as in what happens after you die. For reasons mainly of ego, people love to think they are so fucking special that the world CANNOT possibly go on without them hence they invent all sorts of scenarios in which their consciousness (or "soul") continues afterward.

It's laughable really. The world did just fine without us before we were born and it will do just fine without us when we are gone.
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
(March 20, 2010 at 6:44 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Yeah, don't worry about the language.....wait till some of the southern bible- thumper types show up...they can't speak English either in spite of being born here.

Religion is about fear. Specifically fear of the unknown as in what happens after you die. For reasons mainly of ego, people love to think they are so fucking special that the world CANNOT possibly go on without them hence they invent all sorts of scenarios in which their consciousness (or "soul") continues afterward.

It's laughable really. The world did just fine without us before we were born and it will do just fine without us when we are gone.

i agree, however it is still a hard thought to face Smile
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
Fantastic into Rwandall. I agree there's a real danger in ignorance, which is a huge risk for atheists and theists alike. Great point.
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
Welcome, despite what min says, religion isn't "about fear" fear pervades humans in general:
" can understand that feeling, first because i feel it too sometimes (weird coincidences for example called synchronicity), and because believing in nothing at all, and only seeing our mortality and purposelessness is a terrifying thought."
Hopefully you'll gain a better understanding of religions purpose and further logical and rational thinking. Fear is no reason to believe anything.
Your English seems great to me and I look forwars to reading your posts and interacting.
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
i am not familiar with the concept of synchronicity, what is it ?
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
Shit. Your English is better than mine. My question is "Why are you on a British board?" Don't the French discuss atheism?
"On Earth as it is in Heaven, the Cosmic Roots of the Bible" available on the Amazon.
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
(March 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm)LEDO Wrote: Shit. Your English is better than mine. My question is "Why are you on a British board?" Don't the French discuss atheism?
We aren't a British board. We're an international board.
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RE: My personnal views on irrationality
(March 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm)LEDO Wrote: Shit. Your English is better than mine. My question is "Why are you on a British board?" Don't the French discuss atheism?

they do, sadly the french are really not present on the internet: most of us that can speak english go to english boards since America and Great Britain represent a much bigger population. Also the issue of religion is much less present over there, it is more interesting to see what happens in countries where church and state are not always completely separate

also, thanks for the praises on my english Angel Cloud
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