Are you an Islamophobe?

[DeistPaladin]

Cause you can't have a discussion on the matter of Islam without taking into account the Christianity aspects. The two major religions in a bout of ideology? It's only the trigger to WW3, nothing major ya know right?

The Tu Quoque type of reasoning (a.k.a. "C'mon, everybody does it") is typically employed as the last line of defense to diffuse blame or avoid accountability, because God forbid we have to think about who's to blame or what ideologies might be destructive. It's always easier to sadly sigh and blame "extremes on both sides", or "there are some bad people out there", or "the system is broken".

It works well for the GOP and is used by our corporate media to enable them. Just wait until the next Republican is caught being abusive, corrupt or stupid and the first three words out of some corporate media talking head that you'll hear will be, "...but the Democrats...".

It's always in our media "the extremes on both sides" or "Washington is broken". There is never any accountability with this passive voice, always-blame-both-sides-equally style of reporting. Our media doesn't fact check anymore. Chuck Todd, host of Meet the Press, has said fact checking is not his job as a journalist and, furthermore, he won't ask hard questions of anyone because then they won't come back on his show.

This is why we as skeptics are going to hear about Chapel Hill North Carolina Shooting over and over again until the day we die. The "Both-Siders" now have their red meat and you can expect them to chew on it from now to the foreseeable future. "See, atheists do it too". The next Canadian Parliament Shooting you hear about is certain to contain a mention of "Well, remember how an atheist once shot those three Muslims? So BOTH SIDES!"

We won't talk about the fact that the shooter was described as a crazy, nasty little asshole by everyone who knew him. We won't ask why some nutcase got his hands on a gun and whether we can now have responsible gun control here in America. We still don't know why he shot those three people. That doesn't matter. What matters is he was an atheists and the victims were Muslim, so BOTH SIDES! Never mind that atheism isn't an ideology but simply a lack of belief. What matters is a man who was an atheist shot some people and that's good red meat for the Both Siders that they're not going to let go of anytime soon.

[RobertE]

Well, from my opinion, lots of people are. And because Muslims are humans after all, people take any "shitty human behavior" a Muslim does then blame it on Islam.

In many cases, it's nothing but a cultural conflict. I for certain, know that the Arab culture has negative things, so when people see that, they assume directly it's "Islamic".
Despite many good Muslims showing proper attitude and advocating for peace, love, living & laughing, people still judge.
The media has a huge impact on this, and we know for certain that in many cases, the crowd just follows the stream.

From my view, there is a lot of "islamophobia" on the move, especially the cases of hate crimes, like the ATHEIST WHO KILLED THE MUSLIM GUY AND HIS SISTER & WIFE, which if a muslim did it to an atheist, atheists would've spent years crying and preaching about "those evil terrorist muslims".

Bullshit and racism at its best.

Personally, no I'm not. I'm only against the type of Muslims, who want to convert by the sword, and display violent behavior, but again, I'm against ANY HUMAN who wants to do that.

Tell me, if that is the case that muslims are advocating peace, love, living and laughing, then how come there is so much violence in the world? For example, let us take coptic christians, who were in Egypt a great deal longer than Muslims, yet they are the second-class citizens in their own country, where churches are burnt to the ground on a regular basis, people being beaten to death, women mass raped. What happened to the 1970s version of Iran, where women were free to wear whatever they wish until the revolution happened and the Ayatollah started to get all Hitler-esque? How about the Grand Mufti who was in collusion with the biggest crackpot in world history? How about the idea of Sunni Islam treating Shi'a Islam as inferior and its peoples as inferior? Muslims in spite of being semitic people are in fact anti-semitic towards the Jewish people and will not stop until they are all dead.

How about this image in the United Kingdom?

http://images32.fotki.com/v1091/photos/1...400-vi.jpg

Now, if a Christian was to do that in an Islamic country, or should an Atheist dare to speak out about Islam, then he will be put to the sword in a blink of an eye. If you want peace in this world, get with the programme and drag yourselves to the 21st century, because whether you like it or not, Islam is neither about peace, love, living and laughing. Islam is about domination, hate, war, putting fear into the lives of everyone. Dare I say it, but Islam can be compared to the Spanish Inquisition. As for Islamophobia, does it really exist? Muslims are atheophobes, homophobes, judeophobes, Christianophobes. Muslims kill those who dare to leave the religion of "peace." Damn!!! Apostasy existed in the bible and the torah too, but thankfully, it doesn't really exist now. As for the "religion of peace", I think everyone knows the meaning of the word "Islam", and it isn't peace, but "submission."

[WinterHold]

All killers, DeistPaladin, are sick & twisted and suffer from a mental problem.
Nobody sane, picks up a gun (or charges against Charlie Hebdo with AK-47 like a hollywood action movie then leaves his identity in the car), unless they suffer from a real mental issue.
I presented in more than once, that the Middle East is now the perfect land to spawn insane people (please come visit, please, and see by yourself).

Nobody ever said that this atheist represents the whole crowd, but who ever said that bad muslims who kill, also represent the whole crowd ; too ? Rather, you can consider a mere counter argument, because once a Muslim scratches his nose, the whole media starts to beat the drums and all Muslims (ALL) turn into hellish demonic goats.

I'm not fox news.

RobertE


The last major war was WW2, and all the parties were non Muslims. I don't remember Muslims being present in anything, until Britian invaded Muslim land & converted it by the sword to Judaism (mmm since you can't convert somebody to judaism, they just kicked the people out and brought jews from everywhere to take their lands ).

Well, the cold war came, it was a war between non-Muslim states. I don't remember a "Khalid" or a "mohammed" in the Cuban missile crisis. Yet I do remember a filthy dirty CIA game to arm Sunni militiants against Russia in Operation Cyclone back in the 80s, which opened hell's gates on the region.

Who supplies extremists with all these fancy m4s & Ak-47s ? who gives them the latest models of Humvees in Iraq ? who used the Sunni/Shia conflict to put oil into the turmoil, since a sunni-shia war = $$$$ for western gun makers ?

As for egyptian copts, here, see how prosecuted they truly are :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naguib_Sawiris

Known for Orascom Telecom Media and Technology Holding S.A.E.
Net worth $3.1 billion (US$)
Political party
Free Egyptians Party
Religion Coptic Orthodox Christian

Indeed ; prosecuted.

Btw, coptic christians in Egypt are amongst the wealthiest, strongest.
You can't touch them in Egypt.
Visit, and see for yourself. You are highly misinformed.

I just value human life over naked outfits. If you want to know what happened to iran and probably most of the middle east, revise the western foreign policies after WW2.
Psykes-Picot alone is enough. Then you'll know why the middle east turned like this.

And I thought the Capitalist powers are the reason behind this mess ? ahh stupid me.

[Cato]

I'm not fox news.

Yet this seems to be your single source of news for evaluating western opinion of Muslims. You keep describing far right opinion as universal in the west, it's not even a majority. The amusing thing is that you then use this oversimplification and misplaced generalization as evidence to support your misguided notion that the west holds all Muslims accountable for the acts of a few. Seems to me you are doing exactly what you are being critical of.

[WinterHold]

Yet this seems to be your single source of news for evaluating western opinion of Muslims. You keep describing far right opinion as universal in the west, it's not even a majority. The amusing thing is that you then use this oversimplification and misplaced generalization as evidence to support your misguided notion that the west holds all Muslims accountable for the acts of a few. Seems to me you are doing exactly what you are being critical of.

From dear o'l arabia, nothing reaches us but this far right opinion. Al-Jazeera for example, always concentrates on them opinions.
But I learned from this forum, and occupy wallstreet, that yeah, this is not the majority.

I might be a little bit stiff ; cato. But at least I'm making sure by my own head without using any intermediate media agency, what the opinion is in the outside.
And again, the far right DID win before and that's during Bush's reign ; actually won twice in a row and easily.

Now, the same story is happening allover Europe, and the far rightists are on the rise.

The one thing I know, or at least the only image that reaches me, is that I'll be torn to pieces in the west for being a Muslim, and end up losing everything, including my own life . And truly, the only image I see, is military officials from the west supporting dictators. Again, as distorted as this message is, my topic in R'iyeh is exactly how I see my image in western mentality : my media told me that. Though I'm not that dumb to follow it blindly.

Eventually led me to manifesting my view : we are all humans, it's our culture that makes us grasp the illusion of difference ; eventually we are all members in the same family.
Sorry for the lecture.

[FatAndFaithless]

Yet this seems to be your single source of news for evaluating western opinion of Muslims. You keep describing far right opinion as universal in the west, it's not even a majority. The amusing thing is that you then use this oversimplification and misplaced generalization as evidence to support your misguided notion that the west holds all Muslims accountable for the acts of a few. Seems to me you are doing exactly what you are being critical of.

From dear o'l arabia, nothing reaches us but this far right opinion. Al-Jazeera for example, always concentrates on them opinions.
But I learned from this forum, and occupy wallstreet, that yeah, this is not the majority.

I might be a little bit stiff ; cato. But at least I'm making sure by my own head without using any intermediate media agency, what the opinion is in the outside.
And again, the far right DID win before and that's during Bush's reign ; actually won twice in a row and easily.

Now, the same story is happening allover Europe, and the far rightists are on the rise.

The one thing I know, or at least the only image that reaches me, is that I'll be torn to pieces in the west for being a Muslim, and end up losing everything, including my own life . And truly, the only image I see, is military officials from the west supporting dictators. Again, as distorted as this message is, my topic in R'iyeh is exactly how I see my image in western mentality : my media told me that. Though I'm not that dumb to follow it blindly.

Eventually led me to manifesting my view : we are all humans, it's our culture that makes us grasp the illusion of difference ; eventually we are all members in the same family.
Sorry for the lecture.

At the same time, you're saying that "you'd be torn apart for being a muslim in the West", while also asserting "I'm not that dumb to follow it [the portrayal of western attitudes towards muslims filtered through extreme right-wing bullshit] blindly."

You don't see a liiiiiiiiitle bit of a contradiction between those two statements?

[Chas]

The last major war was WW2, and all the parties were non Muslims.

Oh, really?

13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) was largely composed of Bosnian Muslims.

On the other hand, the Indian Army fighting for the Allies had many Muslims.

[Cato]

And again, the far right DID win before and that's during Bush's reign ; actually won twice in a row and easily.

Are you talking about the guy that insisted that Islam is a religion of peace? That Bush? The same guy that was overly chummy with the Sauds?

Bush was an idiot for invading Iraq, but the man was no holy warrior. You'll have to go further to the right to find examples of what you're after.

[Ben Davis]

The one thing I know, or at least the only image that reaches me, is that I'll be torn to pieces in the west for being a Muslim, and end up losing everything, including my own life.

Not true of the UK. I know that things aren't perfect here but Brits do not fit this profile.

1. There's an apparent & equal upswing of both far-right and far-left politics as people have become disenfranchised with the major political parties but that has had no impact on legislation or practices. A recent poll for the BBC showed that the overwhelming majority of respondents think that UKIP are a bunch of anti-immigration nutters who only care for the interests of the rich and that the Greens have naive views of national & global economics with no solid plans for education, health or jobs. The major parties have brought certain issues to the top of their priority lists in response to the perceived upswing but that's lip-service to assuage the fears of voters. In fact, we have an election in May so we'll be able to see how many people actually vote for 'extreme' parties.

2. Have a look at the Office of National Statistics data. In the 'Crime & Justice' section, you can see that there's been no overall rise in crimes against muslims even though the press have been heavily publicising 'the rise of the political right'. You can also see that the likelihood of muslims suffering crime is the same as the general population. This is due to the UK's (justified) reputation for having a diverse & tolerant population and also of the type of Islam which is practiced here (more enlightened, less fundamental). Come to the UK! You'll be fine!

That said, there are a couple of European countries where the above points aren't true but those are places where the governments have legislated to marginalise muslims or to silence those with justified grievances against them. On the whole, you have nothing to fear from the people of Europe and that's because we're an overwhelmingly secular, tolerant set of populations.

Eventually led me to manifesting my view : we are all humans, it's our culture that makes us grasp the illusion of difference ; eventually we are all members in the same family.

^^^This. This is where we have common ground. And I don't have to share or practice your religion to think so.

[WinterHold]

At the same time, you're saying that "you'd be torn apart for being a muslim in the West", while also asserting "I'm not that dumb to follow it [the portrayal of western attitudes towards muslims filtered through extreme right-wing bullshit] blindly."

You don't see a liiiiiiiiitle bit of a contradiction between those two statements?

Maybe, because I'm very weak and actually poses no power (hence ; a state) to counter-back my fears with a straight conclusion. I wrote about my mixed up races in here, and how my own countrymen don't even see me as a citizen, rather an immigrating bug that came to eat their crops. Despite having a root in from the region I live in. No need to go over all of that again.

I've seen a different side of humanity, FatAndFaithless, that makes me doubt my own logic in lots of times.

Though the "getting torn apart" sentence is a mere fear, we all know that sometimes fear is an illusion.

Chas

Oh Chas stop being a nerd !

I mean the 13th Waffen Mountain Division and India weren't the triggers of that war, neither the main powers that started it ; yet no more than frontline backup.

Both WW were a non Muslim mess.

Cato










Yes..actually cato, Bush turned the Iraq war into a religious war, giving every Muslim extremist an excuse.

Yet again, he only changed that language and started to say Islam is a religion of peace, when he saw the deep shit he got himself along with america, into. I mean help me, I can't find another republican that fought Muslims internationally and called the war a "crusade". Simply, I just can't go far righter than this because I'll turn left (assuming a spherical model)..