A Si Fi watchmaker.

[The Grand Nudger]

Again, you have loony ideas about sci fi (and also, amusingly, science). Go find a mirror, and give -yourself- this talking to? You've completely lost me Brian.

[Brian37]

Again, you have loony ideas about sci fi (and also, amusingly, science). Go find a mirror, and give -yourself- this talking to? You've completely lost me Brian.

Not brain surgery here.

Si fi should not be given a pass anymore than any other aspect of life. That simple. Unless you act on a claim with testing and falsification and peer review it remains a claim. After the fact retrofitting does not constitute science. If you are looking back at non lab depictions and going "look what they invented" that is the same bad logic as Christians retrofitting "Aquinus knew about QM".

You can look at any si fi show or si fi movie and find tons more things in it that never become true. Just like you can find nice stories in religion as metaphor but does not constitute inventing anything.

It is still the same after the fact selection bias and sample rate error on par with what theists do.

[The Grand Nudger]

Sci fi...... isn't...... a........ claim.... understand? You know what, here, let me put it in a blisteringly simple way. You are criticizing a potato for not being a minivan. Because the potato can't seat 7 and pull 80 on the freeway, there's something wrong with the potato. Who told you the potato was (or should be) a minivan to begin with, and why would anything about a minivan be relevant to the status of a potato?

Does that make the least bit of sense, in your opinion?

[Ravenshire]

Oh, for fucks sake. Brian, ever heard of Michio Kaku? He seems to think your ideas are pure bullshit, just like we do.

You rail against science fiction while Dr. Kaku tries to figure out how to make those cool ideas into reality.

[Brian37]

Sci fi...... isn't...... a........ claim.... understand? You know what, here, let me put it in a blisteringly simple way. You are criticizing a potato for not being a minivan. Because the potato can't seat 7 and pull 80 on the freeway, there's something wrong with the potato. Who told you the potato was (or should be) a minivan to begin with, and why would anything about a minivan be relevant to the status of a potato?

Does that make the least bit of sense, in your opinion?

Ok so words and communication magically happen without any medium?

You miss my point once again.

Anything that creates an act of communication can move to someone else and if that person is deluded or a con artist they can take ANYTHING and use it in ways it was not intended for.

Now considering the amount of crap humans make up in our species history what in the world makes you think si fi is immune to that? I think it would be stupid for you to assume that Star Wars which is currently taken as si fi, that it can never be turned into a religion.

[The Grand Nudger]

People think strange thoughts, this thread makes that plainly obvious, and?

[Ravenshire]

You miss my point once again.

Make a coherent one.

Anything that creates an act of communication can move to someone else and if that person is deluded or a con artist they can take ANYTHING and use it in ways it was not intended for.

So, are you against everything then? Since anything can be used in ways they weren't intended.

Now considering the amount of crap humans make up in our species history what in the world makes you think si fi is immune to that? I think it would be stupid for you to assume that Star Wars which is currently taken as si fi, that it can never be turned into a religion.

As I already pointed out, Jedi Order. So the fuck what?!? Why are you so hung up on the idea that someone might take an idea from sci-fi and make it into a religion when, as you pointed out, they can do it with anything?

[Brian37]

Oh, for fucks sake. Brian, ever heard of Michio Kaku? He seems to think your ideas are pure bullshit, just like we do.

You rail against science fiction while Dr. Kaku tries to figure out how to make those cool ideas into reality.

Not even close to being the same thing. Even he would say not to take his word for it. Ethics in science still requires challenge. I doubt you'd ever get him to say, "never question me".

He speculates some really freaky stuff. But he is not getting any of that out of fiction. Nor would he want to be in error about anything he might claim. I still is doing what he is doing under scrutiny, and like I said, even at the QM level they are not all in agreement all the time.

Find me one scientist that ever produced anything useful that left what they thought at "sounds good" and didn't do anything after that. He would not be a scientist at all if he simply looked at a claim and merely wished it.

[One Above All]

I still is doing what he is doing under scrutiny, and like I said, even at the QM level they are not all in agreement all the time.

You sure is (sic).
FYI: There's no such thing as "QM level". I advise you lay off the sci-fi terms and learn some actual science, rather than blindly spout what you hear in fiction. It's all fake, y'know.

Find me one scientist that ever produced anything useful that left what they thought at "sounds good" and didn't do anything after that.

Cavemen who discovered how to make fire. Cavemen who invented the wheel. Sir Isaac Newton. Albert Einstein.
...Wait, was that a rhetorical question?

He would not be a scientist at all if he simply looked at a claim and merely wished it.

Pot, meet kettle.

[Aoi Magi]

take your meds dammit