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Failure condition for god
#61
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:07 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Consciousness is not a physical thing, neither can it be created solely by physical forces.  This has been obvious to most of humanity through history, with most concluding we thus have a soul.

More unsupported assertions?  You have no evidence that consciousness does not arise from brain structure and processes.

Quote:We inherit our good actions and inherit our evil actions, we increase in value or decrease in value, all this is non-physical, and it's obvious we are connected to a spiritual kingdom by which our actions raise us or bring us down. 

Inherit them from what and where?  It is not at all obvious that we are "connected to a spiritual kingdom"; in fact, it is obvious that we aren't since there is no evidence that such a thing exists.

Quote:Darkness created by evil actions and light created by good actions is an obvious fact to most of humanity through out history, all believing in darkness and light.

Where is this darkness and light?  Please show it to us.

Quote:Atheists deny things we all know to be true. It's not our obligation to show obvious properly basic facts, we can simply remind about it, and that is sufficient.

I deny that you have anything other than delusion and wishful thinking; you certainly have no evidence.
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#62
RE: Failure condition for god
It's obvious purely physical matter cannot create experience as an individual, for the experience as an individual, where the I resides is obviously non-physical. You can look at yourself, you can see yourself, and you can see you are a soul and know what is meant by a soul, and that you are not purely physical. It's so obvious that it's been practically an undisputed fact through out history.
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#63
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's obvious purely physical matter cannot create experience as an individual, for the experience as an individual, where the I resides is obviously non-physical. You can look at yourself, you can see yourself, and you can see you are a soul and know what is meant by a soul, and that you are not purely physical. It's so obvious that it's been practically an undisputed fact through out history.

Many disagree with that.  For one thing, there is no evidence for anything other than brain-based consciousness.
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#64
RE: Failure condition for god
MysticKnight Wrote:Consciousness is not a physical thing, neither can it be created solely by physical forces.
Oh, but it is. It cannot exist without the brain, as I have repeatedly explained on this thread and others. Do try to pay attention and read up on how the brain works, pretty please? It is the result of an extremely dense collection of neurons and synsapses firing in response to input from our senses, nothing more.

Quote:This has been obvious to most of humanity through history, with most concluding we thus have a soul.
It was 'obvious' to humanity throughout history that the earth was the physical centre of the universe and that the planets and stars revolved around it. Then; SCIENCE, BITCHES! It was 'obvious' to most people that the earth was flat, then; SCIENCE, BITCHES! It was 'obvious' to most people that diseases were caused by bad smells and demonic curses, then; SCIENCE, BITCHES! It was 'obvious' that floods and earthquakes were the result of the wrath of an angry god, then; SCIENCE, BITCHES!
Do not base your arguments on the historic assumptions of the ignorant masses, it only makes you look foolish.
Quote:We inherit our good actions and inherit our evil actions
True, no argument there. Good and evil deeds are passed down generation to generation, and they reverbrate throughout history and society. You're actually making sense there.
Quote:we increase in value or decrease in value, all this is non-physical, and it's obvious we are connected to a spiritual kingdom by which our actions raise us or bring us down.
Aaaaand he's back. Good and evil are manifested by physical actions made by physical people with physical brains that emit physical thoughts. None of this is non-physical, none of it.
In what way is it obvious? You keep blindly asserting this as though it was true, what EVIDENCE do you have to actually back it up?
Quote:Darkness created by evil actions and light created by good actions is an obvious fact to most of humanity through out history, all believing in darkness and light.
Again true, no argument here. There are good and evil people in the world, who come about through a mixture of genetic predisposition and external influences. Nothing about that suggests a twitchy, homophobic SkySkipper is pulling the strings.
Quote:Atheists deny things we all know to be true.
We deny only that which cannot be proven, and only that for which there is no real tangible evidence. Simple as. I do not 'know' it to be true, I find your entire belief system pathetically outdated and totally logically inconsistent, requiring leaps of faith that laugh in the face of reason and that are not capable of being made by my brain.
Quote: It's not our obligation to show obvious properly basic facts, we can simply remind about it, and that is sufficient.
Your definition of facts and mine are wildly different, my friend. As long as you 'remind' us of these things, we'll be here to point out why they suck balls from a logical standpoint.
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#65
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:19 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: It's obvious purely physical matter cannot create experience as an individual
You are obviously wrong. Here I am. Made of "purely physical matter" and I am conscious.
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#66
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Chas Wrote: More unsupported assertions?  You have no evidence that consciousness does not arise from brain structure and processes.

We have clear evidence in the very knowledge of our spiritual nature. You are in denial of our spiritual nature despite it being obvious, so you say we have no proof that it arises from brain structures and processes. But it's obvious physical things alone cannot give rise to our experience which is spiritual. Rather a spiritual cause is needed for that.


Quote:Inherit them from what and where?  It is not at all obvious that we are "connected to a spiritual kingdom"; in fact, it is obvious that we aren't since there is no evidence that such a thing exists.

It's obvious we inherit our actions. Everyone knows that it and it's take a huge deal of stubborn to deny it.  From what and where, from a Lord who creates a spiritual kingdom, blesses or punishes through it, and makes inherit our actions.  It's obvious we inherit our actions, it's obvious it's only possible with a Lord and a spiritual kingdom.

Quote:Where is this darkness and light?  Please show it to us.
It's shown to everyone, it's not my obligation to make you acknowledge what you already see but don't want to admit.
Quote:I deny that you have anything other than delusion and wishful thinking; you certainly have no evidence.

You can deny all you want, it won't change the truth of how manifest God's Lordship is on humanity.
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#67
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:27 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:14 pm)Chas Wrote: More unsupported assertions?  You have no evidence that consciousness does not arise from brain structure and processes.

We have clear evidence in the very knowledge of our spiritual nature. You are in denial of our spiritual nature despite it being obvious, so you say we have no proof that it arises from brain structures and processes. But it's obvious physical things alone cannot give rise to our experience which is spiritual. Rather a spiritual cause is needed for that.



Quote:Inherit them from what and where?  It is not at all obvious that we are "connected to a spiritual kingdom"; in fact, it is obvious that we aren't since there is no evidence that such a thing exists.

It's obvious we inherit our actions. Everyone knows that it and it's take a huge deal of stubborn to deny it.  From what and where, from a Lord who creates a spiritual kingdom, blesses or punishes through it, and makes inherit our actions.  It's obvious we inherit our actions, it's obvious it's only possible with a Lord and a spiritual kingdom.


Quote:Where is this darkness and light?  Please show it to us.
It's shown to everyone, it's not my obligation to make you acknowledge what you already see but don't want to admit.

Quote:I deny that you have anything other than delusion and wishful thinking; you certainly have no evidence.

You can deny all you want, it won't change the truth of how manifest God's Lordship is on humanity.

Now you are making no effort to even respond rationally.  You are a buffoon.
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#68
RE: Failure condition for god
Is your experience as "I" a physical thing?
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#69
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Is your experience as "I" a physical thing?

Your question does not make sense.  Experience is a set of processes in the brain.

The evidence is that it is entirely dependent on a functioning brain and nothing else.
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#70
RE: Failure condition for god
(April 11, 2015 at 5:40 pm)Chas Wrote:
(April 11, 2015 at 5:38 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Is your experience as "I" a physical thing?

Your question does not make sense.  Experience is a set of processes in the brain.

The evidence is that it is entirely dependent on a functioning brain and nothing else.
This is not answering the question. Is your experience a physical thing or not?
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