God is a Terrorist.

[Iroscato]

And I keep trying to hammer it through...if god really doesdo this, if he can heal people through faith healers like the ones you keep presenting, not only CAN he help the approximately 200,000 children dying of AIDS in africa, he damn well SHOULD. How fucking dare you try to claim he is a benevolent being when he allows this unparelleled evil to continue day in, day out.
Even if the faith healings are real, who gives a shit? You think I would be impressed by cheap tricks from a being who claims to be all-powerful? He should stop healing one person at a time, roll up his cosmic sleeves and get busy with stemming the flow of dead children.
My point remains.
1) There is no solid evidence for the existence of God.
2) If he does exist, he is wicked.

[robvalue]

God is incredibly scared of scientific conditions as well. He won't be compared to a placebo effect! He'd rather do nothing.

And I'm not really that thankful to God for healing a handful of people with the disease he invented and gave to them.

Put the blame where it deserves to be, not just the praise. Anyone can be a hero if you ignore the horrible shit they do.

[Iroscato]

Now let's get cosmical, baby.
Yookiepookie, what is your opinion on the possibility of extraterrestrial life? You know, life on other worlds aside from our own. There are approximately 400 billion stars in this galaxy alone. Our galaxy is one of an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the known universe, but the true number could be much, much higher.
The largest known galaxy so far, IC 1101, is thought to have approximately 100 trillion stars alone.

If we assume an average galaxy density of around 1 trillion stars, and multiply that by 100 billion, that gives us a VERY rough estimate of 100 Sextillion stars, or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars.
In all of that, there is our galaxy. And in all of that, there is us. Clinging to this ever so tiny blue rock, for about 150,000 years in our recognisable form, out of the approximately 13.7 billion years the universe has existed.

With all of these mind-numbingly huge numbers being presented before you, do you still stand by your conviction that the whole of reality was made exclusively for us to enjoy?

[Joods]

1. I'd like to see absolute evidence.
2. Yes.
3. A miracle that HE performs in front of people - not through some false tv messenger.
4. Yes.

Manifest something tangible, god. Show us your existence by any of the means requested. Five minutes is all I ask. Just five. Hell I'll even settle for three minutes.

the kind of evidence you seek will be given to you when you die, but my Lord that will be too late and you wil be regretting that you didnt use this time to work towards God and entering Heaven 

Sounds like you're trying to preach. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with THIS  before telling me what I'm going to regret.

[yukapuka]

you keep asking to see miracles, you kept asking about the sick that nobody is there to heal

i showed you both, a miracle and the sick which God is taking care off

again i stated that i am not interested in converting you, really what you choose to believe in the end is going to be between you and God

there wont be anyone else there, not any supporting atheists or your father your mother or anyone , just you and God

so do as you please

about the question of "why did God give them the disease?"

the same reason you dont believe in Him, its a punishment for sin, or a trial in life , it could be either

if you were meant to die at birth , you dont have to have a disease to die, you can just die without any "medium"

same as if you were meant to live till 1000 then nothing can kill you, for each person is a set time and place , thats God's words

about the other question of life in other planets, i dont know, only God knows, we will find out on judgement day when He gathers all the creation , maybe there is 1000's of other civilization and form of life just like there is thousands of other species , there could be just as well other universes for all we know

according to the Quran we are told of three kinds of creation(other than the animal world) the human(us obviously), the angels, and the Jinn

the Jinn live like us, they have free will, they have children, they get born, they die(from old age), they choose to believe in God or not, but they are not governed by the same laws as us, we are made from dust/clay and we are told that they are made from smokeless fire , we are visible to them, but they are not visible to us in any shape way or form, the only way they can influence us is by giving us suggestions to the heart by whisper(not actual audible whispers but by inserting thoughts to us which we can ignore or we can follow) kind of like what we call "the voice" in our head be it the good voice or the bad voice i.e the suggestions

the devil is of their race, however it doesnt mean they are all evil because God doesnt create evil, but just like we can become evil, so can they become evil , or they can also become like the angels so can we become like the angels(i.e pure good without sin etc)

i am not preaching i am informing, i have no interest to convert anyone, your living your life and you will reach your end, that's between you and God

you can end up in hell for eternity tortured and punished non stop, or you can end up in the highest heavens in bliss , again this wont impact me and my life in any way, it either to your own misfortune or your own bliss
you asked i answered

[FatAndFaithless]

Oh. Please. Go on.

[Iroscato]

you can end up in hell for eternity tortured and punished non stop

Besides the mammoth fountain of shit that you keep spewing anyway, this is the bit that consistently sticks in my kraw. A loving God cannot condemn people to eternal torture. A psychotic monster, maybe, but not someone who constantly preaches his eternal and infinite love.

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Oh.  Please.  Go on.

Endlessly entertaining, this one, isn't he?. Not often I get to pick the brain of loonies

[yukapuka]

you can end up in hell for eternity tortured and punished non stop

Besides the mammoth fountain of shit that you keep spewing anyway, this is the bit that consistently sticks in my kraw. A loving God cannot condemn people to eternal torture. A psychotic monster, maybe, but not someone who constantly preaches his eternal and infinite love.

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Oh.  Please.  Go on.

Endlessly entertaining, this one, isn't he?. Not often I get to pick the brain of loonies

God is infinite, when He decides to be wrathful, He gives you an infinity of wrath that no man no matter how evil he can be can match the punishment of God 

at the same time when God gives you His mercy, His mercy knows no bounds and He rewards you in ways that even if we were to try to reward ourselves, His rewards us beyond our imaginations because again His infinity 

you have to understand that He has given you a lifetime of goodness, a lifetime of health a  lifetime of everything you needed and wanted(maybe not everything you wanted but much of it) and you choose to instead of thanking Him for it to forsake Him and treason against Him 


what is He supposed to do with you? put you in Heaven with those who gave up EVERYTHING their time, their lives, their wants their desires, who went hungry who suffered, who had nothing just to please God, with them into Heaven?
is that fair that you go for yoru whole life denying Him and cursing Him and ridiculing Him 

while they spend their whole lives giving up EVERYTHING they can have and want and need for Him? they spend their night shungry and sleep on the floor and suffer and YET are still thankful and patient and seeking Him? 

do you think He is going to reward you? for what? 

not even humans do that/ they dont reward the one who attacks them, they punish the ones who attack them, even your parents if you were to make them your enemies even they wont help you anymore but will fight you 

while lets say your brother spent his life serving them helping them etc
now if you parents where to die, to whom would they leave their properties? to you who disobeyed them all your life or to the one who served them all his life?
what kind of maniacs do you take them for if they rewarded you but ignored the brother who spent his whole life serving them?
nobody does that not even God 


you cant spend your life opposing God and then expect Him to just put you into Heaven with those who spent their lives thanking Him and working for Him, even at the cost of their own lives? there is NO circle in which that is fair 

God is mercy and love but God is not an idiot that is gullible and naieve, God also has set certain standards 

He is loving and merciful to those who love and show mercy in His name , to them He is the greatest host and promises the greatest rewards , but to His enemies He is the worst tormentor without any mercy and full vengeance
we can see that even in this life , those int he past that disobeyed Him, He annihilated them whole 
complete nations where sunk or perished or annihilated or swallowed or flattened some way or another 

 and now they are in Hell never to come out, nobody knows them and those that knew them forgotten them, only God knows where they are and what torment they are receiving 

[Crossless2.0]

yukapuka, you're fond of unsupported assertions, aren't you?

[Iroscato]

Besides the mammoth fountain of shit that you keep spewing anyway, this is the bit that consistently sticks in my kraw. A loving God cannot condemn people to eternal torture. A psychotic monster, maybe, but not someone who constantly preaches his eternal and infinite love.

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Endlessly entertaining, this one, isn't he?. Not often I get to pick the brain of loonies

God is infinite, when He decides to be wrathful, He gives you an infinity of wrath that no man no matter how evil he can be can match the punishment of God 

at the same time when God gives you His mercy, His mercy knows no bounds and He rewards you in ways that even if we were to try to reward ourselves, His rewards us beyond our imaginations because again His infinity 

you have to understand that He has given you a lifetime of goodness, a lifetime of health a  lifetime of everything you needed and wanted(maybe not everything you wanted but much of it) and you choose to instead of thanking Him for it to forsake Him and treason against Him 


what is He supposed to do with you? put you in Heaven with those who gave up EVERYTHING their time, their lives, their wants their desires, who went hungry who suffered, who had nothing just to please God, with them into Heaven?
is that fair that you go for yoru whole life denying Him and cursing Him and ridiculing Him 

while they spend their whole lives giving up EVERYTHING they can have and want and need for Him? they spend their night shungry and sleep on the floor and suffer and YET are still thankful and patient and seeking Him? 

do you think He is going to reward you? for what? 

not even humans do that/ they dont reward the one who attacks them, they punish the ones who attack them, even your parents if you were to make them your enemies even they wont help you anymore but will fight you 

while lets say your brother spent his life serving them helping them etc
now if you parents where to die, to whom would they leave their properties? to you who disobeyed them all your life or to the one who served them all his life?
what kind of maniacs do you take them for if they rewarded you but ignored the brother who spent his whole life serving them?
nobody does that not even God 


you cant spend your life opposing God and then expect Him to just put you into Heaven with those who spent their lives thanking Him and working for Him, even at the cost of their own lives? there is NO circle in which that is fair 

God is mercy and love but God is not an idiot that is gullible and naieve, God also has set certain standards 

He is loving and merciful to those who love and show mercy in His name , to them He is the greatest host and promises the greatest rewards , but to His enemies He is the worst tormentor without any mercy and full vengeance
we can see that even in this life , those int he past that disobeyed Him, He annihilated them whole 
complete nations where sunk or perished or annihilated or swallowed or flattened some way or another 

 and now they are in Hell never to come out, nobody knows them and those that knew them forgotten them, only God knows where they are and what torment they are receiving 

You are doing nothing except proving my point.
You really have no concept of what eternity is, do you? I mean nobody does really, it's beyond the grasp of human comprehension. We're all equipped with brains that only fairly recently were built primarily for hunter-gathering, so grappling with infinity is a task we are not up to snuff for.
But at least some of us try.

What do you think of all those who came before the Abrahamic faiths, what do you suppose their fates were? The Sumerians, the Aztecs, the Mayans, Egyptians, Greeks? Going back further, the early Homo Sapien people, who lived for over 100,000 years before the concept of monotheism or theism in general was even created? Do you suppose these countless human beings are burning in hell right now, screaming in eternal anguish, because they did not beleive in a God who only decided to 'reveal' himself a few thousand years ago?

Eternity. Keep floating that word around in your head. Forever, infinite, unrelenting, never-ceasing, ever. What is God supposed to do with the non-believers? Well, once they die, reveal that they were wrong and he really does exist. Point out how exactly he created the universe and keeps it running, and admits that he understands why many people were not capable of beleiving in something for which there is so little visible evidence.
At the worst, he could give them a stern talking to, but forgive them, and decide not to BURN THEM FOR ETERNITY.

Even if God was capable of infinite mercy and kindness, it would not excuse his despicable deeds of condemning countless billions to suffer for the rest of time.