Is ISIS really ''un-Islamic''?

[TheMessiah]

Or are they simply doing what the ''prophet'' Muhammad did? Muhammad during his early reign of terror was roaming the Middle-East conquering and forcing conversion to Islam, leaving a trail of destruction. This is what ISIS are trying to do --- in addition to this, Muhammad was a pedophile; which is pretty much what ISIS are given they are selling underage girls into the sex trade.

[Mister Agenda]

Hm. That Asha was underage is a Sunni belief, the Shia tend to put her in her mid to late teens, probably older than Mary was supposed to have been when she became pregnant.

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ISIS seems to be primarily motivated by something I would call 'caliphism', a specific brand of Islamism.

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Somewhat analogous to 'Dominionism' being a specific brand of 'Christianism'.

[Polaris]

Very much so. If I were a Moslem ruler political or religious, I would be able to proclaim a jihad against ISIS based on how pagan they behave.

[RobertE]

I would have to say that they are in fact the only group of extremists who are probably taking the Qu'ran literally, just as the Cathos did when they started forcing the Indigenous people to convert. It just goes to show that not one single group i.e. cathos, prostestants, Shi'as, Sunnis really do take their holy books literally today unless they are terrorist groups.

[Anomalocaris]

Whether ISIS is islamic would eventually be decided in exactly the same way how every question regarding whether any particular new fangled fraction stands for true orthodoxy is always decided - by seeing whether ISIS kill enough of their religious opponents to become the orthodoxy, or whether ISIS is exterminated to the point where most muslims can freely badmouth them without fear of ill effect.

Just look back on Christian history to see how christian most modern christian would have seemed to most christians of the 4th century.

[RobertE]

Whether ISIS is islamic would eventually be decided in exactly the same way how every question regarding whether any particular new fangled fraction stands for true orthodoxy is always decided - by seeing whether ISIS kill enough of their religious opponents to become the orthodoxy, or whether ISIS is exterminated to the point where most muslims can freely badmouth them without fear of ill effect.

Just look back on Christian history to see how christian most modern christian would have seemed to most christians of the 4th century.

These same muslims are the ones who preach one thing and do another. They are indoctrinated to hate and kill Jews and Christians. That is all they need to know, whatever is happening between the Sh'ias and the Sunnis is neither here or there. They both have a common goal. So, the way I see it is like this, I have said it before and I'll say it again, there is no point being highly criticial of one and then giving carte blanche to the other group i.e. Islam. They are both the fecking same, the sooner the liberals get their heads around that the better. As long as the media are spinning their bs about Israel and how it is treating the Palestinians, everyone is happy to believe, especially the liberals. Get this, a large number of Palestinians were beheaded very recently in one of their camps in Syria by ISIS. Guess what, nothing on the news because it wasn't the Jews that did it. No doubt, the muslims will find a way of pinning it on the Jews.

So, getting back to the point:

Judaism, Islam and Christianity aren't worth the paper they are written on and it is basically an adult version of the Grimm brothers tales.

[Anomalocaris]

No religious fraction ever attains the political position of doctrinarian preeminence without the dual political method of 1. saying one thing and doing another, and 2. Violence deniable or avowed, not the least towards those who point out it had being saying one thing and done another.

[Goon]

He's not a terrorist, Friend. He's a really firm believer.. he acts on what he sees his little invisible buddy doing a few thousand years ago.

[Mudhammam]

There's only one way to settle the question. What does the Qur'an and other texts considered sacred by Muslims say about the value of human life outside of the faith? It doesn't matter what other people claim Islam represents to them. If I want to know what Catholicism means, I don't find some random Catholics and ask them, taking their often contradictory opinions to be the "supreme authority." I look at the Catholic Bible and the statements of the Popes, as that religion is defined by what they believe to be God's words. Islam is a religion of the book. In other words, it is defined by their sacred texts. "But what about interpretation?" you might say. Sure, it is important to see how Muslim scholars have traditionally understood the words. In this I also see no inconsistency between Mohammad's biography, the sacred writings of Islam, and some of the most brutal actions of ISIS. The moderate Muslims are the people who reject the first two, disregarding the notion of their righteousness and perfection, so that they are able to clearly and emphatically argue against the latter as being neither righteous nor perfect as well.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Whether ISIS is islamic would eventually be decided in exactly the same way how every question regarding whether any particular new fangled fraction stands for true orthodoxy is always decided - by seeing whether ISIS kill enough of their religious opponents to become the orthodoxy, or whether ISIS is exterminated to the point where most muslims can freely badmouth them without fear of ill effect.

Just look back on Christian history to see how christian most modern christian would have seemed to most christians of the 4th century.

These same muslims are the ones who preach one thing and do another. They are indoctrinated to hate and kill Jews and Christians. That is all they need to know, whatever is happening between the Sh'ias and the Sunnis is neither here or there. They both have a common goal. So, the way I see it is like this, I have said it before and I'll say it again, there is no point being highly criticial of one and then giving carte blanche to the other group i.e. Islam. They are both the fecking same, the sooner the liberals get their heads around that the better. As long as the media are spinning their bs about Israel and how it is treating the Palestinians, everyone is happy to believe, especially the liberals. Get this, a large number of Palestinians were beheaded very recently in one of their camps in Syria by ISIS. Guess what, nothing on the news because it wasn't the Jews that did it. No doubt, the muslims will find a way of pinning it on the Jews.

So, getting back to the point:

Judaism, Islam and Christianity aren't worth the paper they are written on and it is basically an adult version of the Grimm brothers tales.

Israel is one the the main supporters of the ISIS nuts.  When ISIS attacks Israel I will renounce my allegation.  ISIS claimed to have attacked the US in Garland, Texas, yet they haven't even thrown a rock in Israel, right next door to their area of disruption.