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The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
#51
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
You are attacking the conclusion again instead of dealing with the argument.
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#52
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
6 doesn't follow from 5.

Which definition of objective are you using?
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#53
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
If neither God or evolution can create objective morality, but objective morality exists, then it's eternal. I think that is obvious. 
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#54
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
(April 10, 2015 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If neither God or evolution can create objective morality, but objective morality exists, then it's eternal. I think that is obvious. 

If no mind exist, no morality exist. Morality requires conscious beings interacting for its existence. Since morality cannot exist without conscious beings, objective morality cannot either.
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#55
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
(April 10, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Surgenator Wrote:
(April 10, 2015 at 4:35 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: If neither God or evolution can create objective morality, but objective morality exists, then it's eternal. I think that is obvious. 

If no mind exist, no morality exist. Morality requires conscious beings interacting for its existence. Since morality cannot exist without conscious beings, objective morality cannot either.
Objective morality doesn't require conscious beings interacting for it's existence. All it requires is one conscious knowing what morality is in all it's possible stages, including the highest possible stage.

You have to prove that God knowing what morality is in all it's stages is not possible. If he can know that, then it can exist eternally. And if we know it exists eternally, and we know as you say "if no mind exist, no morality exist", that an eternal mind exists.

Again you stating a mind is a requirement for morality doesn't disprove eternal morality existing, for an eternal mind which knows objective morality in all it's possible stages is possible.
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#56
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
(April 10, 2015 at 4:45 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:
(April 10, 2015 at 4:40 pm)Surgenator Wrote: If no mind exist, no morality exist. Morality requires conscious beings interacting for its existence. Since morality cannot exist without conscious beings, objective morality cannot either.
Objective morality doesn't require conscious beings interacting for it's existence. All it requires is one conscious knowing what morality is in all it's possible stages, including the highest possible stage.

You have to prove that God knowing what morality is in all it's stages is not possible. If he can know that, then it can exist eternally. And if we know it exists eternally, and we know as you say "if no mind exist, no morality exist", that an eternal mind exists.

Again you stating a mind is a requirement for morality doesn't disprove eternal morality existing, for an eternal mind which knows objective morality in all it's possible stages is possible.

Morality only comes up when two or more conscious beings interact, but that is besides the point. Objective does not imply eternalness. It only means the objective quality can be applied to anytime NOT it always existed. Application vs existence.

Plus, you still didn't answer which definition of objective are you using.
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#57
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
There is always a time when conversations are not going anywhere. I feel we've reached that point. Thanks for the discussion though, I enjoyed it.
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#58
RE: The Philosophy of Salah/Daily Connection/Prayer
If you showed the definition of objective you used, the conversation would continue. Unless you make up your own definition, all the accepted definitions require the quality to be independent of the mind. However, your argument requires the mind. Hence, it fails very early.

Nevertheless, it was a good discussion.
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